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[QUOTE=Humean;14270628]Being 0-2 outside of Europe says what exactly? It always seems that non-American fighters get criticized for fighting at home and when they lose in the United States that that means that they can't have been very good and yet the same reasoning never seems to be applied when the circumstances are in reverse .
As to the two losses. The Nunn knockout was really a bit of a lucky punch in the first round, Nunn must of course get credit for it but I don't think this result was representative of their respective talents. The Thomas defeat certainly counts against him but Kalambay is not the only fighter to lose fights he shouldn't have that routinely get placed high on these kind of lists.
That is the downside but look at the upside, the Kalule defeat could have went either way, personally I thought Kalambay just edged it, therefore I rate Kalambay a bit higher on that that someone who thought Kalule won would. The McCallum win sure was impressive, despite the close scorecards he won that fight very clearly, clear to the point of being practically dominant and the return fight could also have went either way. On top of that he beat a number of mainly high quality contenders and belt holders in Herol Graham twice, Iran Barkley, DeWitt, Collins, Sims, Dell'Aquila, Seillier. It is close between Kalambay and Nunn, perhaps Nunn should be higher on my list, I might be letting my dislike of his style bias my list./QUOTE]
Kalambay was a star in his comfort zone in Europe. When I evaluate records I also look at how they performed outside of that comfort zone. Eder Jofre would be an example of someone who adapted well.
The Nunn loss was no fluke. He got caught cold but it was as clean of a KO as you can get. Losing to Thomas was okay, unless you are talking about the alleged #6 middleweight of all time. All the names you listed were (at best) second tier fighters. Under any criteria, Kalambay has no business being on a top 25 all time middleweight list.
As to the two losses. The Nunn knockout was really a bit of a lucky punch in the first round, Nunn must of course get credit for it but I don't think this result was representative of their respective talents. The Thomas defeat certainly counts against him but Kalambay is not the only fighter to lose fights he shouldn't have that routinely get placed high on these kind of lists.
That is the downside but look at the upside, the Kalule defeat could have went either way, personally I thought Kalambay just edged it, therefore I rate Kalambay a bit higher on that that someone who thought Kalule won would. The McCallum win sure was impressive, despite the close scorecards he won that fight very clearly, clear to the point of being practically dominant and the return fight could also have went either way. On top of that he beat a number of mainly high quality contenders and belt holders in Herol Graham twice, Iran Barkley, DeWitt, Collins, Sims, Dell'Aquila, Seillier. It is close between Kalambay and Nunn, perhaps Nunn should be higher on my list, I might be letting my dislike of his style bias my list./QUOTE]
Kalambay was a star in his comfort zone in Europe. When I evaluate records I also look at how they performed outside of that comfort zone. Eder Jofre would be an example of someone who adapted well.
The Nunn loss was no fluke. He got caught cold but it was as clean of a KO as you can get. Losing to Thomas was okay, unless you are talking about the alleged #6 middleweight of all time. All the names you listed were (at best) second tier fighters. Under any criteria, Kalambay has no business being on a top 25 all time middleweight list.
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