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I agree that foreman beats liston. foreman would have overpowered himOriginally posted by House of Stone View PostComment
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I think he'd brat all except Ali and big George, and George isn't a guaranteed winner in my opinion. Frazier is tailor made, Spinks I wouldn't even hypothesize about. Norton just was durable enough and the rest of the 70's contenders, as great as they were as a whole, just weren't on Sonny's level. The only big question mark to me is how a young Holmes would react to Liston. Im leaning towards Larry, but a prime Liston is a different beast than he ever fought in the 70's at such a young age. I think his speed a heart carry him, but there are some question marks.Comment
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yea,,,,,liston against holmes is a very difficult fight to call. both had great jabs. liston was obviously more powerful whereas holmes was quicker and had much better foot speed. Id lean toward larry winning a close decision but if he opted to slug it out like he did with Norton it wouldnt go well for himOriginally posted by JAB5239 View PostComment
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Prime Sonny in the 1970s is a beast. SL was a great HW - great, great jab, power, huge right hand. He'd beat all the second tier guys easily (Chuvalo, Bonavena et al). He'd beat Frazier I feel - using his huge reach.
Holmes was too slick. Ali would still outbox him. Foreman would be too strong and aggressive. Norton v SL is a great fight - but Prime SL gets the nod. He'd be in the mix for titles.Comment
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I can't see any heavyweight, Foreman included, overpowering Liston.Originally posted by beez721 View Post
An aging Liston used to push Foreman back during sparring sessions. He was a better boxer than Foreman, had a better jab, and I even think he had a little more power.Last edited by SBleeder; 11-22-2013, 01:10 PM.Comment
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If everyone is so high on liston, then why is he always so low on ATG heavy lists..
you usually see the same guys except for the bottom half where alot of guys are interchangable, but i have yet to see liston regularly appear on lists,, he makes sometimes usually around 7-10 or not at all, and so far it seems that he would dominate the best era of heavys.. Then why so low on ATG lists,, just an observationComment
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liston was definitely a better boxer and made better use of his jab. foreman did have a telephone poll of a jab himself but he just didn't use it nearly as frequently as liston. I feel foreman was physically stronger and hit a pretty good bit harder than liston tho. where did you hear about the sparring? I know they sparred together and rememeber foreman saying liston never gave in but I never heard of liston pushing George around in there. like another poster said,,,foreman was much younger and not as mature as liston at that point. anyway,,,good debate we have going hereOriginally posted by SBleeder View PostComment
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Lets take the Liston Frazier affair. I will say that even though Patterson was not like Frazier they are both smaller with a good work rate compared to Liston. If I am Liston I look at Frazier like Patterson...furthermore we know Frazier was susceptable to the big guy beat down a la Foreman, so Liston gets by Frazier in similar fashion to big george.
Liston had more skills than the late starting Norton, and could beat the gate keepers mentioned.
Holmes comes at the craft like Ali....So was he good enough prime for prime to take Sony? When I have precedent I like to use it....Ali flumoxed Liston, Holmes could stay away from most of the punchers.... But had his problems with Shavers who was not as good as Liston. So this would be a toss up or slight edge to Holmes by decision.
Now the punchers...Lyle and of course Big George. He would take Lyle. Don't know about George....both had the reach and meaness. Whover lands first? hahaComment
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