When we were Kings(Foreman on the bag :D)

[Yogi]

of course you pick one lapse comment and ignore the rest.

Well yeah...the rest of your comments from that post focused on your opinions on Foreman being a harder puncher than Marciano, which is one that I'd agree with. I signalled out that Moore comment because it was a ignorant & entirely false comment to make, but it appears you may have gotten fightersd mixed up. But since you seem perplexed that I didn't pick out for, I'll bite...How do you quantify this statement;

"Marciano was often lucky with punchers and took countless rounds of beatings in order to land one KO punch."

The word "often" signifies that it happened frequent, or atleast more than once. So besides the first Walcott fight when he scored a one-punch KO in the 13th round...What other fight did that happen in?

Besides the brief clips from the Vingo fight, I've seen everything there is to see from Marciano's career and that was the only time he scored a KO while behind on the cards...I also have a bunch of info on some of his other fights that aren't available on film and again, I don't see it.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Your like my old English teacher, the grammar **** that we all lived in fear of. But since you already agree that Foreman hit harder I'm not going to turn this into a debate of Marciano's fighting skills. Which I have mixed views on.

As a side note, your avatar looks uncannily like my old English teacher. Your not him by any chance are you?

[Yogi]

As a side note, your avatar looks uncannily like my old English teacher. Your not him by any chance are you?

LOL!

Well, unless your teacher's name was Mr. Regis Rumblebelly, I doubt that the guy in my av would've been your teacher...Unless you worked as an apprentice in the Shadow Thieves Guild or somewhere similiar, and needed to learn the arts of stealth, lockpicking, etc.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

of course you pick one lapse comment and ignore the rest.

It took Marciano 9 rounds to ko a ligh heavyweight. Not very good for the apparent hardest ever hitter... And he was also being bashed about by walcott before a lucky near end ko. Went the full distance with Charles and had many close encouters with a ko himself.

The fact still stands that if you look at Marciano's record, his career is mainly made up of late round ko's of light heavyweights and not very good fighters. Watching his fights, his punchers are not as explosive or carry as much stopping power as Foremans.

Marciano was around in a bad era of heavyweights. Not his fault, but it says more for Foreman for destroying greater fighters in a shorter time in arguably the greatest era of heavyweights.

hey i don't really care what you say, in my opnion moore even though he was more middle-light heavy i look at him as a respectable heavyweight just because of his stamina and heart and power. I mean he did have over 120 KO's, he had the most and regardless as to what you think he was a good fighter and the fact that it took rocky 13 rounds has nothing to do with it cause he eventually caught him and got him, so wether it was with good fighters like walcott or charles, or Moore it may have taken him a while but he eventually caught up with him
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[RockyMarcianofan00]

a washed up joe louis.

well i'll give you one thing, Joe Louis was not what he once was when he fought rocky but he wasn't exactly washed up, he was still a contender and had won fights before his bought with Rocky.

Now this i had heard somewhere before so correct me if i'm wrong please so i know but didn't Louis have a few more fights after his fight with rocky.

still would have been cool to see them both fighting in there prime
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[Yogi]

well i'll give you one thing, Joe Louis was not what he once was when he fought rocky but he wasn't exactly washed up, he was still a contender and had won fights before his bought with Rocky.

Now this i had heard somewhere before so correct me if i'm wrong please so i know but didn't Louis have a few more fights after his fight with rocky.

still would have been cool to see them both fighting in there prime

Louis wasn't just a contender when he faced Marciano, he was ranked as the #2 contender, and before Walcott had upset Charles a few months earlier, Louis was listed as the #1 contender for the title (with the title loss Charles fell into the #1 spot over Louis, who had recently been very active with wins over lower ranked top ten contenders and fighters just recently ousted from the ratings). Also, if Charles had retained his title against Walcott on that occasion, Louis would have been the very next challenger to the title...Here's The Ring ratings from Aug of 1951, which was just after Walcott/Charles and just before Marciano/Louis;

Champ: Jersey Joe Walcott
1: Ezzard Charles
2: Joe Louis
3: Rocky Marciano
4: Clarence Henry
5: Roland LaStarza
6: Bob Baker
7: Rex Layne
8: Cesar Brion
9: Lee Savold
10: Hein Nuehaus

As you can see Louis was ranked higher than was Marciano going into that fight and was also the slight betting favourite to win. Louis also didn't fight all that bad against Marciano and with the exception of a few like New York Times' writer, Arthur Daley, the press gave Marciano tremendous credit for the KO win over Louis...That win has been downplayed 50+ years later by some, but during that time it was a HUGE win for Marciano.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

yea i saw that in his bio movie (Rocky Marciano) when he beat louis he got the title shot, he didn't want to even face louis cause Louis was Marciano's favorite fighter/idol but in order to get the title shot he had to beat louis

Story goes after the fight Rocky was crying in Louis' Locker Room because he hurt his idol
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[Brassangel]

Foreman was nicknamed "the mummy" by many, and you're going to tell me he was lightning? He beat Norton, and he beat Frazier. He was not quicker than they were, however. Norton and Frazier both beat Ali who was faster than either of them (even in 1973). But wait a minute...Ali stomped Foreman, so the fact that he beat Frazier and Norton doesn't mean anything.

A beats B, and B beats C...this does not mean that A will beat C. It also doesn't mean that one is faster than another. Rocky's attack was quick, not necessarily his footspeed. When his hands were unloading, they got to the target pretty quickly in most cases. Even so, Foreman likely hit harder than Marciano. As I said before, two well conditioned guys who rely on power; the difference will come down to size (in most cases, not all).

[Heckler]

What i was referring to is any info regarding **** Saddler showing Ali how to beat George. Ali often commented how George had never got beyond 4 rounds or whatever, i think the man was clever enough to come to the conclusion that George was a slugger with little stamina. And Funny water? no proof of that at all.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

it was close though the fact is that Foreman either hit as hard as Marciano or Marciano hit harder either way Foreman didn't hit HARDER then Marciano
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