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  • #11
    At 154 Hearns wasn't a destroyer. He beat Benitez, who is considered to be much better than he really was (aside from a brief window), and he was going the distance with guys like Luigi Minchillo. Mike McCallum gets that ass, knocks him out. James Toney beats him at 154.
    Hearns was not, ever, ever in his career unbeatable. He was very formidable, with some serious obstacles to overcome. But not getting hit with right hands is something good fighters can do...Duran, on that night at least, excepted. And if you can get to Tommy's body, you'll get results. Watch the DeWitt fight.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by New England View Post
      That brilliant..McCallum buzzed him at about the five minute mark. I've not seen that before, thanks.

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      • #13
        I personal would give Toney a better chance at 160 than I would McCallum at 154.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by GAME2010 View Post
          herol graham......
          Graham was a good fighter but Hearns would knock him the **** out. Unorthodox styles and shaky chins dont hold up against fast, technical and direct knockout punchers, no way.

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          • #15
            Hearns imo knocks most fighters out h2h at 147 and 154. Just too powerful fast and accurate. Best chances go to good boxers with solid chins who can handle the power and protect themselves while wearing him down and putting the pressure on late. A guy like Toney is a perfect example same with McCallum.

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            • #16
              i always had the impression that james toney was squeezed to the max to make 160 and was never a 154 fighter. i could b wrong about that and if he was ever a prime fighter at 154 i'd definitely make him a live challenger with hearns. mccallum's a good call, very capable n skilled fighter at 154 n of course sugar ray robinson who according to the xperts was really a better welterweight than he was at middleweight coulda made 154 and possible took hearns. all of hearns vulnerabilities were well documented but actually executing that fightplan was very near impossible. one more guy who mighta actually been a bettin favorite if they had made the fight, sugar ray leonard. when ray stopped him in 81, ray already had gotten a 154 belt from ayub kalule so if they had rematched within the next few years at 154 its likely that ray woulda been the bettin favorite. dark horse kinda question mark, how would bronco mckart done being nearly as tall as hearns and a southpaw too?

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              • #17
                Originally posted by greynotsoold View Post
                At 154 Hearns wasn't a destroyer. He beat Benitez, who is considered to be much better than he really was (aside from a brief window), and he was going the distance with guys like Luigi Minchillo. Mike McCallum gets that ass, knocks him out. James Toney beats him at 154.
                Hearns was not, ever, ever in his career unbeatable. He was very formidable, with some serious obstacles to overcome. But not getting hit with right hands is something good fighters can do...Duran, on that night at least, excepted. And if you can get to Tommy's body, you'll get results. Watch the DeWitt fight.
                Very few fighters are. But Hearns never lost at 154. That's not disputable.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by greynotsoold View Post
                  At 154 Hearns wasn't a destroyer. He beat Benitez, who is considered to be much better than he really was (aside from a brief window), and he was going the distance with guys like Luigi Minchillo. Mike McCallum gets that ass, knocks him out. James Toney beats him at 154.
                  Hearns was not, ever, ever in his career unbeatable. He was very formidable, with some serious obstacles to overcome. But not getting hit with right hands is something good fighters can do...Duran, on that night at least, excepted. And if you can get to Tommy's body, you'll get results. Watch the DeWitt fight.
                  James Toney never fought at 154, so that's highly unlikely.

                  As for the rest....Hearns wasn't a destroyer? Benitez wasnt as good as most consider him to be? McCallum knocks him out easy? Good fighters should be able to get past his right hand no problem?

                  Come on man....

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by BennyST View Post
                    James Toney never fought at 154, so that's highly unlikely.

                    As for the rest....Hearns wasn't a destroyer? Benitez wasnt as good as most consider him to be? McCallum knocks him out easy? Good fighters should be able to get past his right hand no problem?

                    Come on man....
                    At 154? Have you seen the Minchilo fight? Benitez was "great" for about a dozen fights; in one of them he got a draw with Harold weston and, in another, he got dropped 3 times by Bruce Curry, Donald's crazy older brother. Hearns had something like 4 fights at 154...the immortal Fred Huthchings, Minchillo, Duran and benitez.
                    The thought then was that he was finished. He had hand problems, so on.
                    Tommy Hearns had a run at WW...he was never a destroyer, some unbeatable god. A tough guy, no push over, but not unbeatable.
                    McCallum wanted to fight him forever; that's why he left Kronk. If you watch, every time he beat a Kronk fighter he'd talk bad to Steward...He wanted the Hearns fight forever and they (Kronk) never let it happen because they knew he'd get to Hearns and stop him.

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by greynotsoold View Post
                      At 154 Hearns wasn't a destroyer. He beat Benitez, who is considered to be much better than he really was (aside from a brief window), and he was going the distance with guys like Luigi Minchillo. Mike McCallum gets that ass, knocks him out. James Toney beats him at 154.
                      Hearns was not, ever, ever in his career unbeatable. He was very formidable, with some serious obstacles to overcome. But not getting hit with right hands is something good fighters can do...Duran, on that night at least, excepted. And if you can get to Tommy's body, you'll get results. Watch the DeWitt fight.
                      Benitez was very good at 154. Maurice Hope was a very good fighter when Benitez knocked him out. Minchillo was very durible and McCallum only stopped him on cuts awhile after Minchillo was beat soundly by Hearns and Duran.

                      DeWitt was a very strong middleweight that gave good fights to alot of good fighters in his prime. He was way past it by the time he fought Benn and Kalambay.

                      Hearns would have been the first fighter to knock out McCallum if McCallum came around earlier and they fought.

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