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  • Originally posted by tonyjones View Post
    if i had to pick someone leonard is certainly the one.I seen srl say that he would aim for the top of floyds head rather then his chin as its the best chance of connecting with him
    Lately, I've been swaying away from thinking Leonard would beat Floyd. The reasons are that Floyd's defense is quite a bit better than Leonard's and his ring IQ is higher. Hearns, if he didn't do anything ******, would be a much tougher challenge.

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    • Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
      Based on the fact that he was universally P4P #3 and a fighter that everyone was claiming he was avoiding for his life.

      Mosley was considered to be as big a threat as Pacquaio at that time. Some were even considering it a bigger threat than Pacquaio.

      It's funny how revisionist history comes in. But it is what it is.

      Margarito being "passed his prime" is silly. He was coming off far and beyond the best performance of his career at that time and was favoured to kill Shane.

      And, why would Mayweather fight Margarito when he returned? That fight was worthless at that point.
      It's funny how people forget (or ignore) that Pacquiao wanted no part of Mosley at the time and Roach publicly said "No fight without a catch weight.". But the revisionist now claim Mosley was "shot" or "cherry picked."

      Roach at 1:21: "I wont let Manny fight Shane at 147. Maybe 142 or 143"

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      • Originally posted by joseph5620 View Post
        It's funny how people forget (or ignore) that Pacquiao wanted no part of Mosley at the time and Roach publicly said "No fight without a catch weight.". But the revisionist now claim Mosley was "shot" or "cherry picked."

        Roach at 1:21: "I wont let Manny fight Shane at 147. Maybe 142 or 143"

        Yeah, absolutely.

        There's another similar video where Roach talks about how the Shane fight was offered but he would only take the weight at 140 or at 142 which Shane of course could never make and when Shane said "You fought Oscar at 147 so why not me?" and Roach said "You're too good, you're better than Oscar".

        I remember when Shane got in the ring after the Marquez fight and everyone was saying how afraid Mayweather was of him.

        I remember when the entirety of the boxing world was calling for the fight. Saying "If Mayweather fights Mosley, I'll give him credit". Look how that played out.

        The same kind of thing will happen with Canelo when Mayweather fghts him and the same thing would have certainly happened if he'd have fought Martinez. The Martinez situation was pretty much a carbon copy of the Mosley fight.

        "Who? You mean passed prime Martinez who was approaching 40?"

        I've seen a lot of situations in my lifetime where a view on a fight does a complete 180 in terms of supposedly giving a fighter credit for fighting a guy he was supposedly ducking and afraid of, who was also considered to be P4P one of the best fighters in the sport at the time but I'd say Mayweather-Mosley probably takes the cake.

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        • I disagree.

          "The weight didn't beat Marquez against Mayweather."

          It certainly made a difference. Mayweather is almost twice Marquez size, and size negates skill. Juan hit him with two monster rights that he timed really well but because Floyd was the bigger man, he didn't even blink. If they were the same size, those two right hands may have changed the fight. Get me? In my opinion, Floyd should have stopped him. He should have stopped The Ghost too. He lacks killer-instinct and that's not good.

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          • Another ****** thread.

            Based on what is Floyd Mayweather even top 20? Let alone #er 2? How old are you? Floyd isn't even an all-time great. He's a mere hall of famer because he never challenges himself against the best. He knows who to fight and when to fight them. Period. He wants no part of any fight where he's not sure he's going to win. He should have stopped Marquez and The Ghost. He was the naturally bigger guy. He lacks killer-instinct even against lesser opposition. Robinson isn't the greatest either on my list. Ray Leonard is and he's definitely the greatest of the "sugars". Leonard would have kicked Robinsons ass! Mosley's ass! He would have KO'ed Floyd as well. Fact! Whitaker is #er 2 on my list. Those two guys were the most skilled fighters I've ever seen and they proved it against fighters who could beat them time after time again. It is risk that makes a fighter admired and never forgotten. You have to give the people what they want. Furthermore, Whitaker is also the best defensive fighter ever. Floyd is 2nd. You couldn't hit Whitaker with any punch consistently; not a jab or body shots. Floyd is susceptible to a good jab and to the body. He simply gets hit a lot more than Whitaker did. That being said, he is a great fighter who is wasting his so called god given ability by not fighting the best.

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            • I can accept positions such as "not top 10" if you want to discuss, but GTFO of here with that not an alltime great jazz.

              I'm 29, in a few days.

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              • Excellent post!

                I say this all the time! Excellent post here! His fighting style wouldn't work against the likes of Ray Leonard, Whitaker, Chavez( mabe), Duran, Benitez, Oscar, Trinidad, Hearns, etc. I even think Quartey would trouble him and BAD too. What did you think about Ike's jab man? Wasn't it awesome!? Floyd is a great fighter who will never be considered an all-time great because he doesn't take risks. He doesn't dare to be great. It's a part of him that doesn't like challenges either. He can look like a boxing god against B-C level opposition but he would get exposed against some of the names mentioned above. Here are his weaknesses; a good fast stiff jab. Punch output, and he gives you his body. That's a no-no against better opposition. Put it this way, we know why he is undefeated still.
                Last edited by GOD-FR33; 05-07-2013, 10:56 AM. Reason: Color.

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                • Originally posted by GOD-FR33 View Post
                  I say this all the time! Excellent post here! His fighting style wouldn't work against the likes of Ray Leonard, Whitaker, Chavez( mabe), Duran, Benitez, Oscar, Trinidad, Hearns, etc. I even think Quartey would trouble him and BAD too. What did you think about Ike's jab man? Wasn't it awesome!? Floyd is a great fighter who will never be considered an all-time great because he doesn't take risks. He doesn't dare to be great. It's a part of him that doesn't like challenges either. He can look like a boxing god against B-C level opposition but he would get exposed against some of the names mentioned above. Here are his weaknesses; a good fast stiff jab. Punch output, and he gives you his body. That's a no-no against better opposition. Put it this way, we know why he is undefeated still.
                  If Fernando Vargas could outbox Quartey im sure Floyd could. I like Bazooka btw. Most quality fighters can take away any ONE punch from an opponent and Ike's jab was his main weapon, sure Floyd has eaten a few jabs over the years but i cannot see how Ike would win that fight at all
                  EDIT: Actually, Thinking about it Ike might give Floyd a decent argument but i still like Mayweather handily.
                  Last edited by The Surgeon; 05-07-2013, 11:10 AM.

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                  • I concur.

                    I concur. I think Floyd would win but Quartey would give him a fight.

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                    • Look cards on the table- I'm a pacquiao fan and would want manny to win if he fought floyd, that's not to say that he would've won just that I'd of liked him too- forget that now though, fight should've happened in 2009, don't wanna see it now. Regarding floyd being no 2 p4p ever, I don't think you can ever match up boxers/ sports stars/teams from one era against one from another.its all people's opinions, which are generally biased for or against a fighter. Regarding this debate, everyone says floyd wouldn't have beaten haggler,Leonard, hearns etc.- I'm afraid we'll never know! We can look at his record and say " he should've fought margarito in 08" or Paul Williams in 08" or he fought cotto and Mosley and Oscar when they were past their best.all I know is this- since he fought hatton , I've wanted to see floyd lose(just because of his persona and to see him react to having a loss on his record) butin every fight since and the ones I've seen from before- no one has come close to beating him, aside from those two right hands Mosley hit him with - which he dealt with without wobbling and grabbing- hardly anyone ever catches him clean. They all go into fights saying there gonna rough him up etc, but as with Guerrero on Saturday, they can't seem to lay a glove on him- he looks 10 x as fast as every one else. And yeah, he might not knock many out or he doesn't go in for the kill but he dominates the fight and wins by a landslide on points. For me I don't see anyone beating him unless he does a Roy jones and stays around until his speed and reflexes are gone.

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