the myth that todays fat HW's are bigger and stronger

[JAB5239]

^ where did I saw that? My list has more recent or fairly recent fighters on it. That's what implied.

What you implied before was past fighters were not as strong as today's fighters because they aren't as big. You in fact said Liston would be near the bottom of a top 10 list, but when you made one had him near the top. What EXACTLY is the point you're trying to make in this thread?

[Cardinal Buck]

What you implied before was past fighters were not as strong as today's fighters because they aren't as big. You in fact said Liston would be near the bottom of a top 10 list, but when you made one had him near the top. What EXACTLY is the point you're trying to make in this thread?

step up your reading comprehension. I'm not gonna translate anymore well written posts for you. Reread my posts and see if I said Liston would be near the bottom, or if I made an ordered top ten. I'll talk boxing, but I'm not gonna teach an English class to you.

[StarshipTrooper]

And the trolling begins :rolleyes9:

[JAB5239]

step up your reading comprehension. I'm not gonna translate anymore well written posts for you. Reread my posts and see if I said Liston would be near the bottom, or if I made an ordered top ten. I'll talk boxing, but I'm not gonna teach an English class to you.

I'd suggest you watch your tone with me.

You did say Liston would probably be the smallest on the List, right? What does that have to do with anything? Does that make him weaker than todays slobs? My point is very simple.....weight doesn't always tranfer into strength. So I'll ask you again, what exactly is the point you're getting at?

[Cardinal Buck]

I'd suggest you watch your tone with me.

You did say Liston would probably be the smallest on the List, right? What does that have to do with anything? Does that make him weaker than todays slobs? My point is very simple.....weight doesn't always tranfer into strength. So I'll ask you again, what exactly is the point you're getting at?

Liston wasn't actually small, but physically on small side of the fighters who I think were the strongest. In other words, it's a list of physically large fighters. Being physically large correlates to weighing more (I said "correlates" not "equals"). A lot of fighters today or somewhat recently, especially since the influx of Eastern Euros, are physically large fighters. The message is that stronger fighters overall are coming up currently--somewhat recently versus further in the past. The tendency is for the fighters to be physically larger and that correlates to but isn't limited to weighing more.

[JAB5239]

Liston wasn't actually small, but physically on small side of the fighters who I think were the strongest. In other words, it's a list of physically large fighters. Being physically large correlates to weighing more (I said "correlates" not "equals"). A lot of fighters today or somewhat recently, especially since the influx of Eastern Euros, are physically large fighters. The message is that stronger fighters overall are coming up currently--somewhat recently versus further in the past. The tendency is for the fighters to be physically larger and that correlates to but isn't limited to weighing more.

Thank you for clarifying and getting into some detail. Again, I don't think there is any way to determine that fighters are stronger overall, but there are certainly more fighters of larger dimensions coming into the sport more and more.

[Canelo Phresh]

Why cant the klit fanatics admit fighters from the 70s were more skilled. Work ethic is something thats has been eroding since the 80s in America its evident in each following generation.

[them_apples]

while i agree that superior strength is not inherent in larger men, you'll find on the whole that larger men are stronger, punch harder, take better punches, and take more out of your gas tank in terms of the exchange of punches and clinches.

I agree, but larger men and heavier men are 2 different things. Ken norton and George Foreman for example.

Mike Tyson vs (everyone was bigger than him).

You'd have to get a tape measure and measure wrists, skull thickness, thigh bone (sp), rib cage etc etc..

Or Hearns vs Duran. For example.

The other thing is, for those saying Frazier couldn't take The K bros damage early to make it late, the dude got up from 6 knock downs and still wasn't out, Knock downs from one of the heaviest upper cuts in history (probably the heaviest) the same Upper cut that an old man threw that knocked 6'6 Gerry Cooney out cold with one shot.

[Sceptic]

Why cant the klit fanatics admit fighters from the 70s were more skilled. Work ethic is something thats has been eroding since the 80s in America its evident in each following generation.

I don't know when it actually started eroding but I agree it has tremendously. The present stack of bodies that are #1 thru #20 are the saddest group in history, even compared to the group that were fighting when Marciano retired and Patterson took over. But It is good for the smaller weight classes.

[them_apples]

them_apples, dude, I'm sure you'd be able to support any claim with your arguments .

lol what I'm saying is true. It's like you get mad when I throw evidence at you.