Joe Louis vs both Klitschkos

[low blows]

Billy Conn tied Louis in knots and he weighed in at 168 pounds that they bumped up to 174 to make him look bigger. Yep Louis easily destroys both brothers.......

[Spartacus Sully]

Billy Conn tied Louis in knots and he weighed in at 168 pounds that they bumped up to 174 to make him look bigger. Yep Louis easily destroys both brothers.......

im confused, are you comparing the 240 lb klitschkos to the 170 lb conn?

[TBear]

Funny but Louis had one off night and out of all the title defences he had, it is the only fight these new accounts know about.

I suppose the standard reply would be to mention the bad nights the Klitschko's had but I don't do that and it is best not to feed them with a reply..

It has become the standard for the Klitschko fans to to attack Louis and Ali to build the brothers Kltschko, but in truth it is the only way the present champions can be used in the same sentence as the greats.

[Capaedia]

I'm surprised to see that Vitali has more votes to win than Wlad. I feel Louis would beat Vitali more convincingly than he would Wlad.

[JAB5239]

Funny but Louis had one off night and out of all the title defences he had, it is the only fight these new accounts know about.

I suppose the standard reply would be to mention the bad nights the Klitschko's had but I don't do that and it is best not to feed them with a reply..

It has become the standard for the Klitschko fans to to attack Louis and Ali to build the brothers Kltschko, but in truth it is the only way the present champions can be used in the same sentence as the greats.

Doesn't matter to them though. In their minds Louis was prime but Wlad wasn't. Total double standard especially considering its a fact the Louis hardly trained for the first Schmeling fight.

[cupocity303]

You don't know anything about boxing. Neither Klitschko is going to beat any of the ATG heavies of the past from Dempsey, to Marciano, to Frazier, Ali, Louis, Tyson, etc...

It just wouldn't happen. As a matter of fact, all the guys I mentioned could fight and beat both brothers in the same night.

Stylistically, they beat all of those guys other than Ali, which would be a pick-em fight. The only guy with the ability to negate their size and boxing that comes with it.

Come on...Louis was 200 pounds at his best. During his absolute prime, he was down on the cards in the 13th when he KO'd light heavyweight Billy Conn. I realize the Klitscko's have had setbacks, but anyone with a pair of eyeballs can see that the likes of Dempsey, Louis and Marciano would be cannon fodder against the modern behemoths like Lennox, Wlad and Vitali.

Correct. Hopefully the reason you got banned wasn't because of this post.

[cupocity303]

Both get KOed in the same night!! Honestly these guys are stiffs compared to Joe Louis, the skill levels couldn't be further apart! Light hitting men opened these guys up imagine what Louis punches would do to them. They look awkward now against bums and miss badly then just stand there because their opponents don't come to try to win their there to get paid. Who have they fought that can punch and come to win??? What would happen to them when they'd get hit by Max Baer let alone Joe Louis?
These are great big, slow, awkward Euro styled boxer who have benefitted from a weak heavyweight era because the best athletes aren't boxing anymore. The decline has been going on for the past 25 years and will continue to devastate the sport. Its not the brothers fault by any means but don't positioning these big amatuer boxers with the likes of pro fighting Joe Louis. Their offense and defense is their size, what happens to them against a fighter that will immediately look to reverse their advantage and slip their jabs and immediately move under or to the side and punch in sequences. Pressure negates their size and allows their size to be turned into a negative instead of a positive. it won't take to many hard punches to the head to break either of these fellows down. I don't like their expressions when their under attack or when they get hit. I'm not a "brothers" hater I actually like them and the way they conduct themselves but as champions they don't promote boxing at all. They don't go after the media in a positive manner and seem to shrink away from world wide media. The Heavyweight Champion of the World needs to be a recognizable personality for the sport of Boxing to flourish. You can have the great Sugar Ray, the Marvelous Ones, the Pacman vs Floyds and all that but the Dempseys, Louis's, Marciano's, Ali's and yes Tyson's keep Boxing in the forefront but the Brothers haven't captured the Worlds interest in Boxing at all. Its not good for boxing when the little guys are the headliners but when the big guys are very thin and void of personality the sport is going to take a huge hit!! ....and it has! Ray.

Thought provoking, ground breaking stuff here Ray. You articulated your points very well. Nice grammar also.

[low blows]

No what I am saying is Conn out boxed and out fought Louis as a big Super Middleweight ie a Joe C beating up David Haye before he ran into a right hand bomb in the 13th. Joe Louis wasn't such an unbeatable force he probably lost to Arturo Godoy in their first fight and was dropped by right hands by numerous fighters. He could beat Wlad because of Wlad's glass jaw, but he could also be toyed with on the outside too. Vitali would easily beat Louis as he is probably the most effective akward fighter ever.

[Spartacus Sully]

No what I am saying is Conn out boxed and out fought Louis as a big Super Middleweight ie a Joe C beating up David Haye before he ran into a right hand bomb in the 13th. Joe Louis wasn't such an unbeatable force he probably lost to Arturo Godoy in their first fight and was dropped by right hands by numerous fighters. He could beat Wlad because of Wlad's glass jaw, but he could also be toyed with on the outside too. Vitali would easily beat Louis as he is probably the most effective akward fighter ever.

ohhhh so your saying a 240 lb vitali is going to move just as quick as a 170 lb conn?

it just seems that one way or another your trying to compare conn to a 240+ lb klitschko, which is horribly flawed.

about the only thing any one should infer from conn vs louis, is that conn was an extremly good boxer.

perhaps if you really reach you might even be able to infer that being just 20 lbs lighter can give a boxer amazing advantages in speed.

[Joeyzagz]

If you can throw in the clinch, you can KO a Klitsckho. Brewster, Lennox, Sanders could all generate power at short distance.

Joe Louis was forced to deal with Grabbers like WLad on a boutly basis. Joe had a 255 lb Abe SImon leaning on him and was able to knock the hairy beast to his knees with short, hard blows. Joe was an expert at punching through holds and grabs to get the KO. Wlad wouldnt last 2 rounds against him.