Joe Louis vs both Klitschkos

[Spartacus Sully]

You had me until you compared Carnera to Vitaly.

I know right...to disgrace carneras name so greatly...

[JAB5239]

You had me until you compared Carnera to Vitaly.

All you have to do is see the 2 videos I posted in this thread. Only a fool would say their styles were net VERY, VERY similar. And if Louis' D was so bad, why did no one beat him after Schmeling until after he retired and came back?

[JAB5239]

Bum of the month club.

Ahhhh, so you're another one of those who hears something and just runs with it without knowing the facts. The "bum of the month club" was a name given by the press when Louis went on a 6 fights in 6 months stretch. 3 of those fighters were rated in the top 10. It wasn't called that because of the fighters Louis fought, but because of how he dispatched of them. You're welcome for the education, but try again.

[Scott9945]

Haye is faster in every way. Take your own advice. You're off to a good start with the name "lazy".

Sure hope you aren't under the impression that Joe Louis wouldn't chase David Haye out of the ring. Because if they trade punches, Haye goes out rather quickly.

[nomadman]

no, robotic like a machine that swings a bat compared to a person swining a bat.

if you dont understand my comparison ask me to explain it better.

make a fist, now stick you pointer finger out.

make a fist, now use your thumb to flick your pointer finger out.

robotic.

I still don't see how this applies to Wlad. Are you saying he lacks explosiveness, handspeed, technique, what?

Explain it to me better please.

are you refering to steroids?

ali vrs klitsckos, klitskos win eh?

I dunno. If you say so. That's not the subject of this thread though.

[Scott9945]

Joe Louis wasn't much of a chaser. He needed a stationary target. Haye would move side to side and befuddle Louis. Not necessarily picking Haye to win mind you, but to suggest that Louis is some unbeatable monster is laughable. People put too much stock in the past.

Louis would have smelled the fear that Haye would show and walk right through him. He was a killer in the ring, which you can't usually say about Wladimir Klitschko. Now Louis against the brothers is a different proposition. But Haye has always fought with fear since he moved to heavyweight and his accomplishments next to Louis are a joke.

I know it is tempting for younger fans to completely dismiss the past, but Wilt Chamberlain would still dominate today, Jim Brown would still be the best running back, and Joe Louis would still be knocking a lot of mother****ers out cold. In all aspects of life, intelligent people learn from history rather than ignoring it.

[JAB5239]

I hesitate to take you seriously with an avatar like that.

You come off like a rancid jar of anchovies.





Joe Louis wasn't much of a chaser. He needed a stationary target. Haye would move side to side and befuddle Louis. Not necessarily picking Haye to win mind you, but to suggest that Louis is some unbeatable monster is laughable. People put too much stock in the past.

Everything I stated is a fact. If you were a little brighter you could look it up for yourself.

Jersey Joe Walcott was a much better fighter than Haye, with far superior footwork. Louis knocked him silly in their second fight. You seem to like to make claims but provide no substance, and no nothing of boxing history. Typical of your ilk

[Scott9945]

I'm not ignoring it. I'm just not as impressed by Louis as you are. Nor Marciano or Foreman for that matter.

Just curious, but what fighters (pre Mike Tyson) have impressed you?

[Spartacus Sully]

I still don't see how this applies to Wlad. Are you saying he lacks explosiveness, handspeed, technique, what?

Explain it to me better please.



I dunno. If you say so. That's not the subject of this thread though.

well the subject of your point is 75 years of growth, i just want to make sure you maintain that claim just the same when in reference to ali vs the klitchkos and their 50 years of advancements compared to him, so really you entire argument depends on your opinion of ali vs klitschkos, as you would contradict your self removing any bit of respect your opinion had if you felt ali would beat either klitschko as the klitsckos would have over 50 years of advancements in their favor.

as far as the punch, take the example i stated above, a robotic punch is like some one sticking their finger out. in a sense its just a big circle as the energy flows evenly at a steady pace on this circle untill your finger is pointed out.

now what happens when you use your thumb to flick your finger out, you shrink the circle using resistance so the same amount of energy is now bound up in a cicle much smaller then it should be, so when the energy becomes greater then the resistance it shoots outward at a much higher speed.

punching should be done is this method.

take the right straight, you push off with your foot body creates resistance shrinking the circle energy goes up into your hip, hip goes forward but your shoulder/upper body hasnt caught up yet creating resistance shrinking the circle, energy goes up into the lower back then upper back in an upwards vector till it hits your shoulder your body wants to go forward the while the energy from your back wants to go up, creating resistance, shrinking the circle and forcing the energy forward into your shoulder exploding down your arm.



klitschko is like a line of dominos, one knocks the next over which knocks the next over which knocks the next over ect till the punch. a robot, one gear moves another gear that moves another gear.

joe louis isnt even really comparable, hes a series of concentric circles collapsing on each other bounding the energy into tighter and tighter circles till it explodes out his arm reaching a much much much greater top speed at impact.

the whole method is known as kinetic linking and leverage if you want to look it up.

[JAB5239]

The only heavies' that are legit are Holmes, Tunney and to a degree Ali. But I have a hard time giving him as much credit as is attributed to him.

Yes, he could talk it up, but a lot of his performances leave me wondering how he would've fared against someone like Holyfield or Lewis.

Lol, Tunney is legit, but Louis isn't? Please explain.