Why do so many of you hate on muhammad ali?

[butterfly1964]

why dont you and buttfly get together and circle jerk you ****ing fruitcake.

starting **** again, i see?

tsk, tsk, tsk. some people never learn.

[Frazier's 15th round]

Frazier was literally standing over Ali ready to go and Ali while still seated in his chair was able to grab Frazier and wrestle him to the floor. Frazier couldn't break free and he got no punches off.

Um, that's not true, asswipe. Frazier wasn't even looking at Ali, he was talking to Ali's brother. Ali thought Frazier was going to hit his brother, so he jumped up and tried to tackle Frazier onto the floor. But Frazier actually ended up on top of Ali. Frazier couldn't get a punch off because there were about 10 guys around crowding the area.

[butterfly1964]

Um, that's not true, asswipe. Frazier wasn't even looking at Ali, he was talking to Ali's brother. Ali thought Frazier was going to hit his brother, so he jumped up and tried to tackle Frazier onto the floor. But Frazier actually ended up on top of Ali. Frazier couldn't get a punch off because there were about 10 guys around crowding the area.

so? if frazier was stronger than ali it wouldn't have mattered. ali outmuscled frazier there, admit it, fool.

[smasher]

Um, that's not true, asswipe. Frazier wasn't even looking at Ali, he was talking to Ali's brother. Ali thought Frazier was going to hit his brother, so he jumped up and tried to tackle Frazier onto the floor. But Frazier actually ended up on top of Ali. Frazier couldn't get a punch off because there were about 10 guys around crowding the area.

What's not true **** face?

1) Frazier was standing over Ali

2) Ali was seated in his chair

3) Ali was able to grab Frazier and wrestle him to the floor

4) Frazier couldn't get any punches off

Read my ****in post next time *******, or just go back to your mindless Ali gets KO'd in 1 by (fill in the blank). You've taken up enough useless space already **** for brains.

[Frazier's 15th round]

Listen, *****. I'll explain it slowly so you can understand. Frazier was not even looking at Ali when Ali jumped up. Ali jumped up, pushed Frazier's head down, and yet Frazier was the one who pushed him to the floor and was on top of him.

Understand, ****hole?

[smasher]

Listen, *****. I'll explain it slowly so you can understand. Frazier was not even looking at Ali when Ali jumped up. Ali jumped up, pushed Frazier's head down, and yet Frazier was the one who pushed him to the floor and was on top of him.

Understand, ****hole?

Where in my ****in post did I say Frazier was looking at Ali you ****in ignoramus. Learn how to read and comprehend the english language you dumb stunned and ****** ****.

[Frazier's 15th round]

Reread your own ****ing post, *******. You said that Ali (while still sitting) was able to grab Frazier and wrestle him to the floor. You are wrong in both cases. Ali was standing, and Frazier pushed HIM down.

[Kid Achilles]

That whole thing had a phoney, staged looked to it and I'm quite sure that neither men had the intention of throwing punches at the other. Even if it was spontaneous, Frazier was not going to hit Ali and risk injuring his hand or opening up a cut over Ali's eye and spoiling the rematch. It was a scuffle, not a streetfight.

In a streetfight, Frazier, who was actually in his fair share of them, would have the upper hand. The huge edge in power would just be another factor stacked in his favor. Ali was an all time great in the boxing ring but was a ****** in bare fisted combat where holding and hitting is just part of the game and attitude and killer instinct is king.

I think a lot of Ali's opponents would have kicked his ass out of the ring including Liston, Quarry, Chuvalo, Bonavena, Wepner, Foreman, Bugner, Mac Foster, Cleveland Williams, Lyle...need I continue?

[Heckler]

Can you logically explain how Frazier would beat Ali? Like i noted earlier Boxing equates very well into streetfighting ability. Is it because Frazier appears big and burly whilst Ali appeared to be a dancing, fragile boxer? I don't know how Frazier having fights as a youngster, before he had any boxing experience gives him the upper-hand. Frazier became a professional, an athlete, a totally differen't animal. Ali has shown that he can trade when need be, against Lyle, against Frazier in the 9th round of FOTC. He can plant his feet and throw sharp, hard, straight punches... and thats about all one needs in a streetfight. Fraziers punching power advantage isn't as relevant on the street, the first punch one of these 200 pound + professional boxers lands with bareknuckles will likely decide the outcome of the fight. Sorry but im not under the illusion that streetfighting as an adolescent and a 'toughguy' image would give Frazier the upperhand prime for prime on a patch of grass in a random location. If you put them both in the octagon (UFC 1 ESSENTIALLY NO RULES AND BAREKNUCKLES) id definately be 50/50 on who would win.

[smasher]

That whole thing had a phoney, staged looked to it and I'm quite sure that neither men had the intention of throwing punches at the other. Even if it was spontaneous, Frazier was not going to hit Ali and risk injuring his hand or opening up a cut over Ali's eye and spoiling the rematch. It was a scuffle, not a streetfight.

In a streetfight, Frazier, who was actually in his fair share of them, would have the upper hand. The huge edge in power would just be another factor stacked in his favor. Ali was an all time great in the boxing ring but was a ****** in bare fisted combat where holding and hitting is just part of the game and attitude and killer instinct is king.

I think a lot of Ali's opponents would have kicked his ass out of the ring including Liston, Quarry, Chuvalo, Bonavena, Wepner, Foreman, Bugner, Mac Foster, Cleveland Williams, Lyle...need I continue?

Not really because you are purely speculating. Bugner in a street fight? You are basing this on what exactly? Street fights are usually fuelled by anger (which is why they would be fighting in the first place) and when 2 angry pissed of guys collide they don't circle, move and trade punch for punch then clinch and wait for a spectator to jump in and break the clinch. When two pissed off guys collide after the initial punches (if any land cleanly) , knees headbutts, wrestling whatever instinct kicks in happens. I have a wealth of boxing experience and have been in enough streetfights to know that once you collide and the other guy grabs your arms, or trips you up, it's anyone's fight. Ali has as good a chance of anyone in a fight which gets taken to the ground.