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Not really because you are purely speculating. Bugner in a street fight? You are basing this on what exactly? Street fights are usually fuelled by anger (which is why they would be fighting in the first place) and when 2 angry pissed of guys collide they don't circle, move and trade punch for punch then clinch and wait for a spectator to jump in and break the clinch. When two pissed off guys collide after the initial punches (if any land cleanly) , knees headbutts, wrestling whatever instinct kicks in happens. I have a wealth of boxing experience and have been in enough streetfights to know that once you collide and the other guy grabs your arms, or trips you up, it's anyone's fight. Ali has as good a chance of anyone in a fight which gets taken to the ground.
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I know and this is precisely why Ali's skills would not help him much and Frazier's superior firepower and killer instinct (not to mention experience in actual fighting out of the ring as opposed to boxing) would give him a big edge over Ali. Obviously anyone has a chance in a streetfight, but you'd have to favor Frazier on attitude, punching power, and experience. -
Ooo, one round. I bet Frazier would be real scared of fighting Ali in the streets.against Frazier in the 9th round of FOTC.Comment
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Your punching power is a non-factor in a ground fight. You can't plant your feet and get leverage so a big puncher is useless on the ground. Who would think Royce Gracie could beat some of the guys he did. Once on the ground the punchers he faced were useless. When on the ground you have to use arm punches.Originally posted by Kid Achilles
Take two trained boxers, with neither one being a grappler then throw them on the ground which is often where a street fight ends up. It's anyone's fight. It comes down to holding strength, and getting a free hand to punch with.
Unless Frazier's streetfighting experience came against 6'3 220 ATG heavyweight champions then it doesn't hold much water. There's a HUGE difference street fighting a professional athlete/heavyweight champion boxer and some punk slug on the Philadelphia streets.Comment
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Attitude? Its pretty irrelevant with professional boxers. They both dedicate their lives to throwing punches and are both going to instinctively snap out those same punches that they throw in the gym day-in-day-out. Fraziers experience as a teen in philly against nobodys is overided by his professional training. Ali's skills won't help him, but his superior functional strength and speed will. Its anybodys game.Originally posted by Kid AchillesComment
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And heres a quote... ali talking about getting the gold in 1960. 'I couldn't believe it, going from a young fella fighting with the boys in my neighbourhood to a gold medalist' - That experience is about as irrelevant as Fraziers is.Comment
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Ali has a good chance of anyone standing up. We have seen the flurries he threw in the ring, when hes pressed the action. Take him out of the ring, take those gloves off and that same attack is going to drop someone. Ali can hit faster, more accurately, and from a greater distance then most HW boxers.Originally posted by smasherComment
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I'm lost as to what direction this thread has gone, so...what happened in that 9th round of the first Frazier/Ali fight?Originally posted by Frazier's 15th roundComment
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Ali came out, pressed the action, threw plenty of hard fast flurries?Comment
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It was the only round of the fight that Ali won, basically.Comment
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Did he?Originally posted by Heckler
Off hand I don't know, nor do I remember...I was only asking because I have plans to sit down and watch that fight again within the next hour or so (actually probably more like 10/15 minutes...as soon as the wife finishes her show and goes to bed), and I thought maybe something big happened in that round that was worth looking out for.Comment
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