Why do so many of you hate on muhammad ali?

[Heckler]

i gotta agree, ali had the speed but frazier had a punch. and look where they grew up ali in the burbs frazier in the ****** and country. frazier must have way more streetfighting experience then ali.

if it gets to the ground frazier has the reach advantage because he has shorter arms.

Growing up in the ****** and having streetfighting experience will turn you into a wild swinging brawler. Joe Frazier having wild brawls in philly before he was taught correct technique isn't really going to factor into this much... professional boxing experience offsets this completely. Boxing translates into streetfighting ability very well, professional boxers will hand streetfighting thugs their arses giftwrapped. Straight, fast, accurate punches thrown by professional boxers are better then most the **** 'streetfighters' try to pull off.

[Da Iceman]

ali even said he couldnt street fight. so he lost the battle right then.

[Heckler]

Ali didn't streetfight, doesn't mean he couldn't and ive never come across him saying that he couldn't. If he can box he can streetfight, simple. He dedicated his life to throwing punches, and showed throughout his career he could pull out fast, hard flurries when it was required. Its ridiculous to suggest he couldn't adapt his abilities to the street without sucess. He has reach, speed, accuracy and great comprehension of range.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

one of Ali's friends was just saying that actually on espn classic one time

that there's no way Ali could have won in a street fight

Frazier's brawler style would beat him, everybody knows you don't "box" in a street fight

[Heckler]

one of Ali's friends was just saying that actually on espn classic one time

that there's no way Ali could have won in a street fight

Frazier's brawler style would beat him, everybody knows you don't "box" in a street fight

You're being simplistic.You don't BOX in a streetfight but you can apply concepts from boxing. Using range, reach and handspeed. Brawler style would beat him? because brawling and wild swinging is what works best in the street because thats what you saw in movies right? Ali wouldn't box, he'd throw those flurries that he threw in the ring when he was trying to get out of a bad situation or put an opponent away.

So because a friend of Ali said this, you believe it? he probably bought into ridiculous stereotypes also. Put these perceptions aside and think LOGICALLY ABOUT IT.

Reminds me of UFC. Tank Abbott who was nothing more then a brawler was thought to be impossible to strike against. Until a less powerful, faster, straight punching young man by the name of Vitor Belfort was able to beat him to the punch and put him away.

[blockhead]

why dont you guys go revive that ali vs. bruce lee thread because the arguments in there are about as ****** and irrelivant as the ones in here. why polute boxingscene with more of this garbage.

[Heckler]

Fair enough ^ we are getting just a little OT here. Back to the topic then. I understand why people hate muhammad ali, because some people believe him to be perfect. As a boxer he was flawed, as a person he was flawed - Muhammad Ali acknowledges this himself. I personally think Muhammad Ali was a great man, but nowhere near perfect and what he did to Joe Frazier was ****ed up... no denying it.

[smasher]

You really think they would be rolling around on the floor and **** LMAO!

Yet another lame attempt to sound tough from Yaman the ******ed Fubu wearing wannabe Vanilla ******.

Ali and Frazier did just that on Wide World of Sports prior to their second fight when Frazier objected to Ali calling him ignorant. Frazier was literally standing over Ali ready to go and Ali while still seated in his chair was able to grab Frazier and wrestle him to the floor. Frazier couldn't break free and he got no punches off.

Of course I wouldn't expect a white ***** wimp 13 year old to know anything about a streetfight. All of your opinions are based around glowing praise of black men that look fearsome and intimidating to a pencil neck white kid from the suburbs, the kind of black men you wish you were.

Now go to your room and ***** slap your Justin Timberlake doll and pretend you're Sonny Liston.

[blockhead]

ali is the greatest boxer ever imo i love ali and all ali nut huggers should be respected

why dont you and buttfly get together and circle jerk you ****ing fruitcake.

[Heckler]

Yet another lame attempt to sound tough from Yaman the ******ed Fubu wearing wannabe Vanilla ******.

Ali and Frazier did just that on Wide World of Sports prior to their second fight when Frazier objected to Ali calling him ignorant. Frazier was literally standing over Ali ready to go and Ali while still seated in his chair was able to grab Frazier and wrestle him to the floor. Frazier couldn't break free and he got no punches off.

Of course I wouldn't expect a white ***** wimp 13 year old to know anything about a streetfight. All of your opinions are based around glowing praise of black men that look fearsome and intimidating to a pencil neck white kid from the suburbs, the kind of black men you wish you were.

Now go to your room and ***** slap your Justin Timberlake doll and pretend you're Sonny Liston.

Yeah they both got fined for that. And i wasn't suprised Ali was able to do that, he was definately the PHYSICALLY stronger man... Frazier easily the harder puncher, people get confused between the two.