Why do so many of you hate on muhammad ali?

[blockhead]

i don't get it? this is baffling. he is the greatest of all times, but some people hate on his so much, it's crazy! i mean they have people like louis beating ali. louis always had trouble with fast guys, like billy conn. well, who was a better fast, moving hw then ali? they said louis would counter ali all day? do you know how close he has to get to his opponents to throw flurries? ali would not allow himself to be that close. his footwork is better, so he wouldn't be cornered. theres no way ali is getting beat. ali is extremely strong! he basically manhandled liston in their first fight, and muscled "big" george foreman in '74. and he embarrased both of them! yet he is not that good and foreman could destroy him. bull! that's like saying frazier would destroy foreman when foreman destroyed him twice! and they say marciano would destroy ali, LOL!! ali would annihilate marciano in a matter of a few rounds. marciano would punish his body, worst statement ever made! marciano has a 67" reach, and ali never lets anybody get close to him in his prime, so marciano's short hands will punish ali's body. on top of that foreman couldn't hurt ali's midsection, so how would marciano? some people say marciano is the hardest hitter ever. well, he looked good fighting people with glass chins and small, bums like himself. the way i see it, the only people that think rocky could beat ali, are WHITE. and some of them are really, really racist. i mean one thread asked who would win, marciano or jake lamotta, and i swear, this guy had to be a white racist, cause he answered, "nobody beats the rock, but lamotta would do much better against marciano than that moolie clay would." well, i don't know what a moolie is, but i bet that translate into *****!
and so lamotta, a slow-footed middleweight could beat ali? and he called him clay, which proves he's white and racist, and wants to keep ali as with a white, slave name! there is no way rocky beats any top ten hw, let alone the #1 hw. frazier can't beat ali, cause he, for the most part didn't. i guarantee you all ali had to do was fight more fights and get more experience before fighting frazier, and he would have beat him. he only had two fights prior, and one was only three rounds. a prime ali would have done much better, so there is no contest. there is no real, legitimate reason why any fighter period would beat ali, because ali had great speed, great chin, and a pretty good punch, and enormous strength!

i have come to the conclusion that ali beat their favorite fighters so their mad at ali, or they are white, and need someone like marciano or dempsey to be their savior, or they are war veterans, or related to veterans, or related to veterans who died in combat, so they are mad ali didn't go to vietnam, or they didn't like ali's showmanship. do you realize that no hw copied his style yet, because it is so hard! or maybe they want their favorite fighters to be the greatest, so they are mad that their not. also he is 15-3 against hall of fame heavyweight fighters. he has the best resume ever, i just don't understand how people can hate on him so much? what has he ever done to ya'll?

just because others give recognition to other fighters doesnt mean they hate on ali. you are obsessed with ali and you think that any critisism of him is hating. i love ali. but there are a lot of other fighters in the history of the sport.

[Punster]

Trash talking is one thing but he went way, way too far both in and out of the ring. I mean this isn't just trash talking, he ruined people's lives by bashing them based upon their race, their mother and everything in between. Yeah, he was a great boxer but that doesn't excuse the things he said about some of his opponents.

Then right around when the U.S. was contemplating a draft, he becomes ******, changes his name to Muhammad Ali and refuses to fight for his country.

[M26]

oh yeah, i'm tommyhearns804, get the hell out of here! hearns specifically stated how he hates ali's guts and talks about how foreman would whup ali if they rematched, and that ali wasn't that smart a fighter since he has parkinson's now, and ****** stuff like that.

i have ali on my avatar, and my sig, and i quote him all the time, and i adore the genius! so how can we be the same person?

My bad.

You just sometimes remind me of him, thats all. But like I said, you seem more polite. I won't bring this up again.

[butterfly1964]

Trash talking is one thing but he went way, way too far both in and out of the ring. I mean this isn't just trash talking, he ruined people's lives by bashing them based upon their race, their mother and everything in between. Yeah, he was a great boxer but that doesn't excuse the things he said about some of his opponents.

Then right around when the U.S. was contemplating a draft, he becomes ******, changes his name to Muhammad Ali and refuses to fight for his country.

ok, now i don't remember him talking about someone's ethnicity, nor someone's mama.

and what does that have to do with his boxing? i'm not saying he was the best person, nobody's perfect, just that he was the best boxer.

[Punster]

ok, now i don't remember him talking about someone's ethnicity, nor someone's mama.

and what does that have to do with his boxing? i'm not saying he was the best person, nobody's perfect, just that he was the best boxer.

You don't remember him calling several boxers an "Uncle Tom"?

The question was why do people hate Ali. I don't hate him for boxing. He was one of the best, if not the best boxer of all time. But as person, I hate him.

Frazier wasn't the only one who wanted to kill Ali. He was just more outspoken about it.

[Yogi]

I don't hate Ali, but to this day I'm still trying to figure out why Ali so blatantly ducked Duane Bobick in the spring of '77.

[butterfly1964]

You don't remember him calling several boxers an "Uncle Tom"?

The question was why do people hate Ali. I don't hate him for boxing. He was one of the best, if not the best boxer of all time. But as person, I hate him.

Frazier wasn't the only one who wanted to kill Ali. He was just more outspoken about it.

uncle tom means that they cater to the white man, or as some people call it, selling out, i don't see how that is racist.

and i didn't ask why people hate him, although that is baffling enough, but i asked why so many hate on ali. i mean why they try to downgrade his accomplishments for no apparent reason, when the reasons or logic they give is a big joke?

[Punster]

and i didn't ask why people hate him, although that is baffling enough, but i asked why so many hate on ali. i mean why they try to downgrade his accomplishments for no apparent reason, when the reasons or logic they give is a big joke?

Oh, that answer is pretty easy. It's because people like going against the grain sometimes. They like going against mainstream opinions. Some people think they sound more educated when they go in depth about how [insert unknown boxer here] from God knows how long ago was better than Ali.

It's the whole condescending thing. Just like there are movie snobs who hate anything that becomes popular or mainstream, there are boxing snobs who will intentionally go against what is generally believed.

[butterfly1964]

Oh, that answer is pretty easy. It's because people like going against the grain sometimes. They like going against mainstream opinions. Some people think they sound more educated when they go in depth about how [insert unknown boxer here] from God knows how long ago was better than Ali.

It's the whole condescending thing. Just like there are movie snobs who hate anything that becomes popular or mainstream, there are boxing snobs who will intentionally go against what is generally believed.

well, i actually looked into it myself, and with his style of boxing, i don't believe any hw before him had ever seen anything like that, and the ones after him have not been able to duplicate that either.

[butterfly1964]

i see the ali hating started back on this forum.