Does anyone on either Klits resume beat Ali?

[Jim Jeffries]

There is no way you can know Ali's peak was exactly at the time he was banned, and not before.

Well since Ali was still improving before the ban and had lost a fair bit of his speed and athleticism when he came back, it seems fairly obvious.

And unlike David Haye, Ali hopefully wouldn't run away for the whole fight not wanting to win but only wanting to not get knocked out.

66/67 Ali was very hard to hit cleanly, certainly more than David Haye. And when he wasn't peppering Wlad with jabs and combos, he would more than likely be on his bicycle (or "running" as you put it.)

[The_Demon]

There is no way you can know Ali's peak was exactly at the time he was banned, and not before.

And unlike David Haye, Ali hopefully wouldn't run away for the whole fight not wanting to win but only wanting to not get knocked out.

Its called 'movement',its something boxers have used since the sport began,although it has faded out dramatically in the HW division over the last ten years

I was also shocked when Wlad didnt KO that glass chinned bum hypejob former cruiserweight,but Haye moved his head to avoid his opponents punches,it was quite incredible wasnt it

I hope you get the sarcasm in my post,but i wouldnt be surprised if you didnt

[nomadman]

Well Ali was never beaten pre prime, he lost his peak prime due to the ban and lost some close decisions to some great fighters while past prime. I used to think Wlad might give Ali some trouble with his jab, but not after he had a hard time hitting David Haye with it.

I don't understand using the Haye fight as a blueprint for success here. Haye got whitewashed and barely touched Wlad. That was mostly down to the jab, which did land, and landed often.

[joseph5620]

I don't understand using the Haye fight as a blueprint for success here. Haye got whitewashed and barely touched Wlad. That was mostly down to the jab, which did land, and landed often.

When Haye did land, Wlad held on as if his life depended on it. And I'm pretty sure Ali would hit Wlad a lot.

[Barn]

When Haye did land, Wlad held on as if his life depended on it. And I'm pretty sure Ali would hit Wlad a lot.

I really wanted Wlad to win that fight and every time Haye went forward I was ****tin' myself.

[Jim Jeffries]

I don't understand using the Haye fight as a blueprint for success here. Haye got whitewashed and barely touched Wlad. That was mostly down to the jab, which did land, and landed often.

Meh, Wlad landed 9 jabs a round, at a rate of 28%, which isn't going to get it done against Ali. Nevermind that with Ali's jab and elusiveness, I'm fairly certain that he wouldn't even have (nearly) that much success. Could be that Wlad's on the slide, because he landed the jab more frequently against the more slippery (than Haye) Byrd, but it definitely had me viewing Wlad/Ali in a different light (I always though Vitali would be fairly easy work for Ali.)

[nomadman]

When Haye did land, Wlad held on as if his life depended on it. And I'm pretty sure Ali would hit Wlad a lot.

Wlad always does that. It's become a reflex action now. And about the only thing Haye has on Ali is punching power. Not even sure why someone thought to compare the two in the first place really since aside from their trashtalking they have very little in common either in style or class.

[nomadman]

Meh, Wlad landed 9 jabs a round, at a rate of 28%, which isn't going to get it done against Ali. Nevermind that with Ali's jab and elusiveness, I'm fairly certain that he wouldn't even have (nearly) that much success. Could be that Wlad's on the slide, because he landed the jab more frequently against the more slippery (than Haye) Byrd, but it definitely had me viewing Wlad/Ali in a different light (I always though Vitali would be fairly easy work for Ali.)

If anything changed my opinion of Wlad in that fight it was the fact that he didn't seem to hurt Haye with his shots. Not sure if he was reticent to put full power in the punches, if Haye has a better chin than credited with or was so focused that he naturally went with the shot, but it gave me food for thought.

But whatever, no one in their right mind should expect Wlad to KO Ali anyway.

[Jim Jeffries]

If anything changed my opinion of Wlad in that fight it was the fact that he didn't seem to hurt Haye with his shots. Not sure if he was reticent to put full power in the punches, if Haye has a better chin than credited with or was so focused that he naturally went with the shot, but it gave me food for thought.

I have no doubt that Wlad could knock out Haye with either the left hook or his right hand. But I don't think he had enough success with the jab to get Haye in a position where he could tee off without fear of an overhand right coming back.

But whatever, no one in their right mind should expect Wlad to KO Ali anyway.

I never thought he would KO Ali, or even outpoint him. I just thought that Wlad could make it a hell of a lot more interesting that the usual "Ali KO2" predictions you see in NSB. Now I think either he gets decisively outpointed, tires himself out trying to hit Ali and stopped late or loses on cuts.

[joseph5620]

Wlad always does that. It's become a reflex action now. And about the only thing Haye has on Ali is punching power. Not even sure why someone thought to compare the two in the first place really since aside from their trashtalking they have very little in common either in style or class.

More likely because he has no inside game and he doesn't trust his chin.


I don't know whether Haye punches harder than Ali or not. What quality heavyweights has Haye ever knocked out?