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Saddler beat at least 10 great fighters. He was dirty, but Willie Pep was just as guilty. As a featherweight I rate him easily top 5, there can be little doubt about it, I shudder to think of what he'd have done to Laguna, Famechon, Fenech, and many other FW champions. To beat WW Billy Petrolle, a body puncher of the most debilitating awesomeness (yeah, I got that word in somehow)..... as a lighter man is testament....... to beat Pep, even at that stage of Pep's career is simply great, I rate Pep as one of the top three fighters to ever live. ......... Saddler is very high on the all-time greats list well in the top 50.......... Sandy fought TALL better than any fighter under WW, and maybe well above. He had a similar p4p power as Tommy Hearns, similar builds too, which help make their reach add to their power,.... like a lead ball on the end of a whip. Yes sandy Saddler was great,,...... black, white or brindle,... boy's.... lets keep race out of this,,.. boxing is colour blind....... be freinds.Comment
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Ah I forgot Billy Petrolle. Pretty sure I highlighted to you in the other Sandy Saddler thread that he was a HOF'er
Joe Brown was very green at the time. Still a good win. But no where near the full article he became.
But back to the point. Considering how many fights Sandy Saddler had, the fact he only has 4 HOF'ers on his resume and one being a lower tier HOF'er with the other being very green just shows that his quality wasn't that great.
I mean, obviously it was good. Very good, he's a Top 35 ATG.
I just don't think his quality was that good. People tend to sleep on the amount of Top ranked opposition he actually fought, though.Comment
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Ah I forgot Billy Petrolle. Pretty sure I highlighted to you in the other Sandy Saddler thread that he was a HOF'er
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Joe Brown was very green at the time. Still a good win. But no where near the full article he became.
Fair enough. But, then again people credit Johnson for his wins against Jeanette and McVea despite them being horribly green, just because they became great in the future, I think he should be given at least if not more the same credit than Johnson did for his Jeanette and McVey wins.
But back to the point. Considering how many fights Sandy Saddler had, the fact he only has 4 HOF'ers on his resume and one being a lower tier HOF'er with the other being very green just shows that his quality wasn't that great.
I don't feel people should be punished for having a bad ratio to be honest.
I mean, obviously it was good. Very good, he's a Top 35 ATG.
I just don't think his quality was that good. People tend to sleep on the amount of Top ranked opposition he actually fought, though.
I agree with the last statement. To be fair though you and many others(including myself just not to as big an extent) do rank Slapsie Maxie very high for the same reasons.Comment
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Absolutely.
I give as much credit to Saddler for that win as I do Jack Johnson for his wins over those green opponents. Just enough.
Why not?
That's the main thing Saddler is usually critiszied for.
I think it's reasonable logic. He had so many fights but I just don't think the overwhelming quality is there.
Not that that makes him not great or is even his fault.
It just holds his greatness back a tad, for me.
I think Maxie Rosenbloom is rated so highly because not only does he have the most wins over top ranked opposition of all time but he also has alot of quality amongst it.
With wins over HOF opposition into the double figures.
Can't really see how that compares to Sandy Saddler's situation my friend.Comment
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Finally someone who has enough brains and logic to see the truth in my comments, instead of taking to some bs rhetoric.
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