Sandy Saddler

[Barn]

Here are again some who he beat (Of the top of my head):-
1)Lou Scozza
2)Jamaica Kid
3)Tiger Flowers *
4)Leo Lomski
5)Jack McVey
6)Pete Latzo
7)Jim Braddock
8)John Henry Lewis
9) Tiger Jack Fox
10)Micky Walker
11)Chuck Burns
12)Tony Shucco
13)Jimmy Slattery
14)Al Ettore
15) Lou Nova
16) Lee Ramage
17)Al Gainer
18)Ted Kid Lewis


Fought a ND with Harry Greb...though to the best of my knowledge Greb was the better man and hurt Maxie early even dropping him. Maxie was stopped only twice in over 250 fights, once by a foul and once by a heavy when he was going down.

According to the Ring, he did not train much.

Yeah I think I'm going to have to admit defeat but, I don't think they are exactly poles apart, maybe 15 or 10 places or so on an ATG list.

Also, I couldn't care less if you were a Maxie nuthugger considering your only saying facts and, we don't have one yet.

[Pastrano]

I'm white and it's clear you're a racist ****.

He's right about Pep tho, you deny that?

[Steak]

I don't think they are at all.

Saddlers contender competition, although vast, isn't all that great.

I also have to call you out for an earlier post.

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Now, you're a big fan of Duran, right?

And you rank Duran much higher than Sandy Saddler.

A Top 10 ATG isn't it?

Well, what about Durans HOF record?

If I remember correctly it's 6-6.

So for the same thing you are saying Maxie has to be ranked lower for, does the same apply for Duran?

I have a strange feeling, that it doesn't.

For me, this is why I don't rank fighters that way.

The fact Duran beat who he did should stand alone, regarldess to the fact that he actually lost to as many HOF'ers as he did beat HOF.

One thing to consider is that Maxie's HOF opposition are mostly in the 'old timers' catagory, which is substantially easier to get into imo. I mean, Willard is in.

and not all HOF wins are equal. Duran's win over Leonard is one of the best wins of all time, all things considered.

Im not really making an argument for any 'side', but just some points to consider.

I get the point youre making too though.

[Barn]

He's right about Pep tho, you deny that?

Yes I do, no fighter has "Ace ability far superior to Saddler." If that was the case Pep would have maybe won the series?

[Pastrano]

Look, *** all this, Saddler was a very good fighter and one of the hardest punching featherw8s of all time. I ranked him nr.1 in fact, don't you remember? No, you just remember all the negative stuff about me.

Screw all you haters.

[Barn]

One thing to consider is that Maxie's HOF opposition are mostly in the 'old timers' catagory, which is substantially easier to get into imo. I mean, Willard is in.

and not all HOF wins are equal. Duran's win over Leonard is one of the best wins of all time, all things considered.

Im not really making an argument for any 'side', but just some points to consider.

I get the point youre making too though.

I agree but, only to a certain extent of course, you have to remember Williard won the lineal Heavyweight title against Jack Johnson and defended it once against Moran, the same amount of times as Sonny Liston. I'm not saying they are equal fighters but, Williard did to alright, albeit not enough to get into the HOF but, I don't think it's that bad, especially when you consider the historical impact he had in reigning between the 2 best old timer Heavyweights Dempsey and Johnson. If Barry McGuigan deserves to get in from a modern standpoint and Sylvester Stallone then Mr Williard deserves to as well.

[McGoorty]

I agree but, only to a certain extent of course, you have to remember Williard won the lineal Heavyweight title against Jack Johnson and defended it once against Moran, the same amount of times as Sonny Liston. I'm not saying they are equal fighters but, Williard did to alright, albeit not enough to get into the HOF but, I don't think it's that bad, especially when you consider the historical impact he had in reigning between the 2 best old timer Heavyweights Dempsey and Johnson. If Barry McGuigan deserves to get in from a modern standpoint and Sylvester Stallone then Mr Williard deserves to as well.

Sylvester Stallone......... very LOL.

[Steak]

I agree but, only to a certain extent of course, you have to remember Williard won the lineal Heavyweight title against Jack Johnson and defended it once against Moran, the same amount of times as Sonny Liston. I'm not saying they are equal fighters but, Williard did to alright, albeit not enough to get into the HOF but, I don't think it's that bad, especially when you consider the historical impact he had in reigning between the 2 best old timer Heavyweights Dempsey and Johnson. If Barry McGuigan deserves to get in from a modern standpoint and Sylvester Stallone then Mr Williard deserves to as well.

Stallone isnt in the actual fighters section though.

And Willard beat an old man Johnson, and thats about it. I dont know for sure, but I dont think that Willard had the social impact that McGuigan did.

either way, its clear that there are many more heavyweights not in the HOF that in reality were better than Willard. and thats really the only point I was trying to make, that you have to take those HOF wins with a grain of salt.

[Greatest1942]

One thing to consider is that Maxie's HOF opposition are mostly in the 'old timers' catagory, which is substantially easier to get into imo. I mean, Willard is in.

and not all HOF wins are equal. Duran's win over Leonard is one of the best wins of all time, all things considered.

Im not really making an argument for any 'side', but just some points to consider.

I get the point youre making too though.

Well if Duran fought over 40 times in 3 years he will have lot more losses than Maxie IMO...it isn't as easy as you suppose.

Do you think defeating that many old timers is easy? News for you only Harry Greb has a depth of resume to challenge Rosenbloom...no one comes close
While Duran might have the single biggest win, Rosenbloom has almost three for each he got...

[IronDanHamza]

One thing to consider is that Maxie's HOF opposition are mostly in the 'old timers' catagory, which is substantially easier to get into imo. I mean, Willard is in.

and not all HOF wins are equal. Duran's win over Leonard is one of the best wins of all time, all things considered.

Im not really making an argument for any 'side', but just some points to consider.

I get the point youre making too though.

Yeah, I'm not saying they are. I was actually saying that about Saddler even.

He has great wins over Willie Pep and Flash Elorde, and obviously good wins over Petrolle and Joe Brown but one is a lower tier HOF'er and the other was very green. Both good wins but I don't think Saddler's quality was all that great. Very good of course just a critique of his.

All I was saying is that 'HOF record' doesn't hold much water, atleast in my book. Duran being a key example for that, being widely recognised as a Top 10 ATG, Minimum say Top 13-15. But doesn't have a winning record over HOF'ers.

I consider Duran to be greater than Rosenbloom, personally.