Joe frazier vs Wladamir Klitchko? POLL

[Greatest1942]

You have a very annoying style of posting. Why not just put the "poet" part into your signature, instead of having to type it into every single post?

I saw the original post. Just one thing, why exactly do you feel the need to bring Poet's family in this?

Keep this at a mature level. If you don't like anything he says, report him. But insulting his family is childish.

We are here to agree-disagree on boxing, not to get our personal lifes dissected.

[gatorDelux]

getting someones family involved is LOW

[gatorDelux]

here is a reason frazier would win....

wlads chin

[The Noose]

I think Wlad has a decent chance. He uses his height well, and also moves backwards out of range with ease. Plus he would grip Frazier like a vice up close.
Frazier would be the favourite because of his style, his defence, his pressure and punch, but i dont think its a foregone conclusion.

[Greatest1942]

I couldn't help but ignore this simplistic post. Sounds like you have just about every excuse covered for Frazier, but Wlad wouldn't get the same treatment.




Right, so it's a one year gap where he was in his prime, and right off into the 1970's, where he no longer is prime. And who did he beat in the 60's to prove how good he was in his "prime"? I mean 68/69? By the way, about who do I remember a similar argument being made? Oh yeah, the great, unbeatable, Iron Mike Tyson from 85-88. How convenient, anything after that, and the excuses start coming. Now lets see you dig up a bunch of nobodies from his 1960's resume, and put them over like a million bux, while disparaging everybody Wlad has ever beaten or lost to.




I know that. None of which has anything to do with what I said regarding a 5'11 guy having his best success while Ali was doing the Rope-A-Dope. Something Wlad wouldn't do and if Frazier managed to get past his jab and get in close, Wlad would hold him and lean on him all 250lb.

In between that, nothing but a jab and right in his face all night from a 6'6 guy. 90% of the fight, there would be no inside fighting. And I can't see a 5'11 smoking Joe landing looping hooks on a 6'6 guy with solid defense from the outside.






More credential listing nonsense. Being ATG has nothing to do with your ability. I can list Rocky Marciano's numbers and quote some old Boxing Historian on how ATG he is. Makes no difference in what he can do against someone else.

Irrelevant resume jargon. Of course Wlad can't win with you. Whoever he not only beats but dominates, are considered bums. Whoever he losses to, bums also. Yeah but lets put over guys from the past and make excuses for them.





Perfect, so we only had a one year period (68-69) where we got to see a in shape, prime Frazier, according to you. The rest of the time he was half-blind and out of shape. Sounds to me like you have more excuses as to why Wlad wouldn't get credit for beating Frazier (I.E. He would've beaten a past prime, blind Frazier), rather then making a case why Joe would win. Because his track record sure doesn't show that he would handle a 6'6 guy who dominated most of his fights (even if against bums according to you).

Let me lead you through the morass

1) Frazier's blindness increased after 1970. Before 1970 he did not have any blood pressure issues...which he did prior to FOTC...You didnt know that dont be surprised, read his autobiography.

2) I am not saying Wlad isn't good, but yea, the guys who beat him were not even remotely of the caliber of the guys who beat Joe.

3) About Height and weight, you heard of Buster Mathis? Well I guess you didn't.

4) It is not Wlad's chin Joe will tag, it will be his body...and we are not even remotely sure how good Wlad can take it there. Ohh!!! by the way I am referencing his habit of leaning back.

5) I will pick Jimmy Ellis and Jerry Quarry to beat everyone Wlad has beat...Of course to you they are bums..but again its you..FYI Fraizer beat them both.

6) By the by Quarry was ranked #27 in Ring magazine's list. Jimmy Ellis #42.
So both top 50 heavyweights of all time according to Ring...I know you dont care...but I care more for Ring's ranking than yours.

7) Many consider Foster a top 10 light heavy...Frazier beat him too

8) he beat Doug Jones too.

Now back to Wlad,Brewster who beat Wlad has a record of 41-35-6 ...
I dont see him of the caliber of George or Ali..you dispute this

Or do you consider Sanders or Puritty over them?

I say compared to the guys who beat Joe, Wlad's conquerors were nobodies.

"I know that. None of which has anything to do with what I said regarding a 5'11 guy having his best success while Ali was doing the Rope-A-Dope."



One last thing I think Frazier beat Ali in 1971 didn't he ..when Ali didn't do any rope a dope and fought a great fight..You say Frazier had best success when he did rope a dope. Wow!!! You dont sound convincing... May be in your world. In my world when both were near their primes Fraizer beat Ali, had a close second fight and in the third came the rope a dope or stuff like that.

I doubt Wlad has faced someone who will duck , weave and slip punches like Joe did against Ali in 1971. I doubt he has faced some one who will come at him all the 15 rounds...

In his prime or non prime Frazier gets destroyed by Foreman and has close fights with Ali...but he knocks Wlad out...


One last thing I prefer being simplistic, since I don't compare Peter to Foreman or Haye to Ali or Bryd to Ali or may be don't consider Quarry as a bum and Rahman in his league, also Ellis = an old Mercer...I am not afraid that others will understand my posts. I also know 5 years from now when I will know more about boxing, I wont cringe at my own words.

And lastly I don't also attack others families. What can I do I was brought up that way, apparently others were not.

[RubenSonny]

One last thing I prefer being simplistic, since I don't compare Peter to Foreman or Haye to Ali or Bryd to Ali or may be don't consider Quarry as a bum and Rahman in his league, also Ellis = an old Mercer...I am not afraid that others will understand my posts. I also know 5 years from now when I will know more about boxing, I wont cringe at my own words.

BTW this is the same chump that said Peter was similar to Frazier since Peter is a beast on the inside

[Vadrigar.]

Wlad by TKO.


Too big on top of having a great jab and ability to keep opponents at bay. Frazier had one great win against a slightly past-prime Ali. The other times it was competitive (Manilla), it was because Ali went completely into Rope-A-Dope mode. If anybody thinks that Wlad is just gonna make himself available and stand there and let a 5'11 guy beat him up on the inside, without even holding, you're mistaken.

Wlad has fought a lot more opponent who are closer to Frazier, then Frazier has fought someone close to Wlad's size and skill/style of fighting.

And in case you wanna invoke Brewster/Sanders, that's a period of time where I didn't consider Wlad to be at his peak prime. He had gaps in his style, primarily in wasting too much energy trying to move around like a Lighter-Weight fighter at times. He has since then closed those gaps and perfected his BIG-MAN style of fighting.

Not gonna get into the same kind of engagement on this, like I did on NSB threads. Tired of repeating myself. Plus, I hear someone is ban happy on this section if anyone is favoring a Klitschko in any type of scenario.

OVER AND OUT.

laughable as the rest of your post. Anyway show us how Sam Peter was "a beast on the inside" which is what you seem to be alluding to here.

BTW taking shots at the moderator isn't a good start. Try stick to the topic, eh?

[RubenSonny]

laughable as the rest of your post. Anyway show us how Sam Peter was "a beast on the inside" which is what you seem to be alluding to here.

BTW taking shots at the moderator isn't a good start. Try stick to the topic, eh?

He should cop a ban for comments about a posters family member.

[NET]

Wlad would Foreman him. Frazier would have almost 0 chance to get anywhere near him.

Wlad by k.o in 3 rounds or less.

[kendom]

Thanks for making my point how many 6'6 240 lbs fighters did Frazier fight? Frazier had a lot of trouble with Ali holding him on the inside and looked helpless when Foreman pushed him around.

The only reason Ali was able to get away with that was because he could absorb a tremendous amount of punishment to his body, Frazier would let his hands go and **** to the body, can Wlad absorb the same amount of punishment Ali could? I think not.