Joe frazier vs Wladamir Klitchko? POLL

[slicksouthpaw16]

I'm not really an alt - my only other identity was banned for making comments about the, uh, "origins" of some of the stories on this site.

I love Smokin' Joe, he is one of my fave fighters of all time, but he gets killed by either K-Bro. It would be what Foreman did to him, but worse.

Worse? As if either brother punches hard as Foreman or would even be as aggressive against Frazier.

[McGoorty]

Two big question marks against Wlad are chin and stamina especially in a high tempo fight. Frazier will ask those questions in a big way. For those who point to the Foreman fight, Wlad is no Foreman.
Big question is can Wlad dig down deep and gut out a victory when tired and hurt. The alternative is throwing caution to the wind and try and take Frazier out early, Wlad has had most of his success boxing cautiously so in a fight that goes the distance Frazier becomes favourite for me

Mate, I just think W is just too big,.... like a Bantamweight against a Middleweight. Klitschko would have to be hopeless, and if he's hopeless then all Moderns are garbage, and I think there must still be some real fighters out there,.... not many mind you, Joe is always a chance. I don't think Joe's chin was all that impressive. I see Frazier doing very well for a while, but one uppercut from W, and it's over.......... to beat W you need a hell of a chin, there's just so much weight behind his punches..... I'm not saying Frazier had a glass jaw, no he was very tough indeed, but he was vulnerable...... skill goes out the window when your lights go out.

[joseph5620]

Mate, I just think W is just too big,.... like a Bantamweight against a Middleweight. Klitschko would have to be hopeless, and if he's hopeless then all Moderns are garbage, and I think there must still be some real fighters out there,.... not many mind you, Joe is always a chance. I don't think Joe's chin was all that impressive. I see Frazier doing very well for a while, but one uppercut from W, and it's over.......... to beat W you need a hell of a chin, there's just so much weight behind his punches..... I'm not saying Frazier had a glass jaw, no he was very tough indeed, but he was vulnerable...... skill goes out the window when your lights go out.

Wlad is not known for throwing uppercuts and hasn't knocked anybody out with it from what I've seen.. In fact he has very little if any inside game. To beat or hurt Frazier he would have to do it from a distance because that's the only way he fights.

[The Surgeon]

Mate, I just think W is just too big,.... like a Bantamweight against a Middleweight. Klitschko would have to be hopeless, and if he's hopeless then all Moderns are garbage, and I think there must still be some real fighters out there,.... not many mind you, Joe is always a chance. I don't think Joe's chin was all that impressive. I see Frazier doing very well for a while, but one uppercut from W, and it's over.......... to beat W you need a hell of a chin, there's just so much weight behind his punches..... I'm not saying Frazier had a glass jaw, no he was very tough indeed, but he was vulnerable...... skill goes out the window when your lights go out.

Problem with Wlad tho bud is he Refuses to throw them big shots, ***** i honestly cant recall him throwing an uppercut at all! If he had the balls and the Fire in him that a REAL Fighter has - like Joe Frazier has - THEN id pick him, his power is huge but his fear shackles it and he just jabs and jabs and jabs and.....

Wlad is packing some glass and Frazier had one of the best Hooks ever, he put Ali on his ass with it for example

[Rossman]

Frazier by humbling fifth round ko.

[nomadman]

Mate, I just think W is just too big,.... like a Bantamweight against a Middleweight. Klitschko would have to be hopeless, and if he's hopeless then all Moderns are garbage, and I think there must still be some real fighters out there,.... not many mind you, Joe is always a chance. I don't think Joe's chin was all that impressive. I see Frazier doing very well for a while, but one uppercut from W, and it's over.......... to beat W you need a hell of a chin, there's just so much weight behind his punches..... I'm not saying Frazier had a glass jaw, no he was very tough indeed, but he was vulnerable...... skill goes out the window when your lights go out.

Wlad used to throw really good uppercuts, but he rarely does so now and on the few occasions he did (against Peter in the rematch) they looked awkward, though powerful. I don't think Wlad knocks out Frazier, though I would have him winning an ugly but unanimous decision that involves a lot of clinching and pushing Frazier's head down when he tried to bob his way inside. On the outside Frazier gets peppered by Wlad's jab, catching the odd right hand to the side of the jaw when he ducks the wrong way.

[nomadman]

Problem with Wlad tho bud is he Refuses to throw them big shots, ***** i honestly cant recall him throwing an uppercut at all! If he had the balls and the Fire in him that a REAL Fighter has - like Joe Frazier has - THEN id pick him, his power is huge but his fear shackles it and he just jabs and jabs and jabs and.....

Wlad is packing some glass and Frazier had one of the best Hooks ever, he put Ali on his ass with it for example

He threw uppercuts against Peter, and he used to use the uppercut as quite an effective tool in his combination punches back in the pre-Sanders days. It's only in recent years that he's evolved the effective but highly tedious jab jab right hand style that wins him fights but massively limits his offensive abilities. He's still a very hard puncher though, but when the punches are invariably straight right hands thrown sparingly behind an endless jab it allows opponents to mentally prepare to take them. When he fought Mercer he threw the kitchen sink at him, hooks, uppercuts, rights, everything, so that it overwhelmed Mercer and resulted in an early stoppage. Had that version of Wlad fought Frazier, a) it would be a hell of a lot more mouthwatering a proposition to see, and b) I'd give him a real shot at stopping Frazier (and vice versa). This version won't KO Frazier because he'll be too wary of letting Frazier get on the inside as well as avoiding the hook. What he will do is rack up the points on the outside, and neutralise Frazier's game on the inside with his limpet clinch. Twelve tedious and ugly rounds later he wins a decision.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Problem with Wlad tho bud is he Refuses to throw them big shots, ***** i honestly cant recall him throwing an uppercut at all! If he had the balls and the Fire in him that a REAL Fighter has - like Joe Frazier has - THEN id pick him, his power is huge but his fear shackles it and he just jabs and jabs and jabs and.....

Wlad is packing some glass and Frazier had one of the best Hooks ever, he put Ali on his ass with it for example

Wlad is about 3 inches taller than Ali Wlad has to lean(something Wlad rarely does since teaming with Manny) to get caught with one of Frazier's left hands.

[GJC]

Wlad is about 3 inches taller than Ali Wlad has to lean(something Wlad rarely does since teaming with Manny) to get caught with one of Frazier's left hands.

What proper boxers do is work to the body and that makes a fellow lean.

[nomadman]

What proper boxers do is work to the body and that makes a fellow lean.

Frazier was able to work on Ali's body because Ali's primary reaction when Joe got close was to stand tall and raise a high guard. On the occasions he did clinch, it was little more than holding behind the back of the head to get a breather. This still allowed Frazier to rotate his body and get power and space to land his body hooks. Wlad's clinch is different. He actively uses it to negate fighters' inside work by grabbing them in an almost bear hug, then draping himself all over them to wear out their legs. It's a limpet-like clinch that gives fighters very little room to move, let alone throw meaningful punches. Due to the enormous height disparity in this matchup, I don't see Wlad having too much trouble clinching Frazier up in the manner he's used to. Frazier's most dangerous weapon will unsurprisingly be his awesome left hook, more specifically the quick long vicious hook he throws out of a crouch as he bobs his way inside. Wlad got caught by a similar type of hook from Peter and Brewster in the rematches. Didn't affect him any in both cases, but the point was he was caught by it, and chances are he'll be caught by it from Frazier as well, and more than once.