Joe frazier vs Wladamir Klitchko? POLL

[joseph5620]

Haha Sure sure keep telling yourself that, and I'll school you any other time you'd like to talk about Boxing(which you have done before despite my 'non important opinions'). Again. Untill then, stay out of my way and keep doing your best Poet impressions. You're getting very good at that.

Whatever you say Charlie Sheen.

[GJC]

Have you ever actually seen him fight? Left hooks, pressure, body punching. Most of it is there, or are you looking for an exact replica of Frazier? Lets be reasonable. Bottom line, Wlad has fought someone like Frazier multiple times. When has Frazier ever fought anyone like Wladimir?

Nope we're still talking different languages here. When we discuss things such as style mismatches and a good big un beats a good little un it is with the view that there is an equality between the fighters. Frazier is much better than Wlad. If they had fought Wlad like all fighters do would have got a couple of sparring partners to mimic Frazier, problem is with good preparation is that the other guy is likely to be a lot better than your sparring partner. Then plan A goes out the window and you might have to gut it out or come up with plan B. Wlad ever shown any sign of having a plan B or the ability to dig down deep when tired and hurting?

[SCtrojansbaby]

Wlad may have more strength but not his stamina or his ability to absorb punishment, especially to the body which he would need against Frazier, Wlad doesn't have the handspeed of Ali and he doesn't come for his opponent ala Foreman, which is why a destruction like ko isn't happening in the early rounds, which are Wlads best chances to win the fight, he's content to lay back and throw the jab and then the counter right, Frazier won't allow him to this, hes going to crowd him and take away his space, not to mention Frazier is relentless, will Wlad spend the hole fight trying to push Frazier off him? tying him up is difficult as in the second Ali fight he was able to let his hands go and back away to the body, Frazier will be hitting him everywhere, head body arms.... Wlad will get worn out.

Also when has Wlad ever shown to be vulnerable to the body? Vitali is vulnerable to the body but Wlad isn't they aren't the same fighter.

The second Frazier gets inside the jab Wlad is going to tie him up Frazier won't be able to mount much of a body attack. And you have it all wrong Frazier is the one that needs space to try and time a big left hand if Wlad starts reaching with his punches. If Frazier tries to crowd him its going to be a hold-a-thon and slow paced fight which is exactly what Wlad wants and its only a matter of time until Frazier gets caught with the big right hand coming in.

[F l i c k e r]

Frazier.

Wlad has a questionable mandible. He wouldn't be able to jab, robot style to the success he has done against guys like david haye.

I figure it'd take a few rounds to get the hang of the timing and range. Then Frazier starts spamming those hooks until Wlad goes down. I have never seen Wlad adjust to anything either, so can't say if he could adjust to Frazier's spamming of hooks.

Frazier by knockout or decision.

[kendom]

Also when has Wlad ever shown to be vulnerable to the body? Vitali is vulnerable to the body but Wlad isn't they aren't the same fighter.

The second Frazier gets inside the jab Wlad is going to tie him up Frazier won't be able to mount much of a body attack. And you have it all wrong Frazier is the one that needs space to try and time a big left hand if Wlad starts reaching with his punches. If Frazier tries to crowd him its going to be a hold-a-thon and slow paced fight which is exactly what Wlad wants and its only a matter of time until Frazier gets caught with the big right hand coming in.

only a matter of time? who has the greater advantages as the fight wears on, Frazier who kept a relentless style till the 15th round, or Wlad who is known to gas out? the gameplan that you envision him carrying is similar to the one that Ali carried out in their second fight,while watching the fight I noticed that when Ali held Frazier he would dig to the body, this eventually wore Ali down and Frazier was able to take round eight and nine, like I said before Wlads stamina and ability to take a punch especially is not on Ali's level.

[winky's right]

only a matter of time? who has the greater advantages as the fight wears on, Frazier who kept a relentless style till the 15th round, or Wlad who is known to gas out? the gameplan that you envision him carrying is similar to the one that Ali carried out in their second fight,while watching the fight I noticed that when Ali held Frazier he would dig to the body, this eventually wore Ali down and Frazier was able to take round eight and nine, like I said before Wlads stamina and ability to take a punch especially is not on Ali's level.

the bigger man has the advantages the longer the fight goes

[GJC]

Frazier way too small, no chance to get inside without getting his head taken off.

Wlad by KO.

Quick suggestion Frazier has 2/3s of the votes you need more alts

[SCtrojansbaby]

only a matter of time? who has the greater advantages as the fight wears on, Frazier who kept a relentless style till the 15th round, or Wlad who is known to gas out? the gameplan that you envision him carrying is similar to the one that Ali carried out in their second fight,while watching the fight I noticed that when Ali held Frazier he would dig to the body, this eventually wore Ali down and Frazier was able to take round eight and nine, like I said before Wlads stamina and ability to take a punch especially is not on Ali's level.

12 rounds is not a problem for Wlad when he controls the pace.

Ali holding you is different then getting engulfed and pushed around like rag doll which is what Wlad does.

[Scott9945]

Why don't you go and something contructive, like name a HW from the 2000s who resembled Frazier more than Brewster, or respond to my last post to you last night where you got owned about Foreman and Lyle, again. You can't bait me with your nonsense bro.

I can see both sides of this debate, but Brewster didn't resemble Frazier at all. He didn't have the workrate, the technique, or the style. Try and find anyone else (who knows what they are talking about) that will buy into this.

[GJC]

So 2/3 of the voters are delusional and their judgement is clouded by nostalgia. That sounds about right.

More people read comic books than read Shakespeare, but it doesn't mean that comic books are better literature.

At least you had the good grace not to deny you're an alt that would be delusional