Sometimes I Wonder Why Did Roy Ever Waste His Time Fighting Fighters Like.....

[Toney616]

What does this have to do with Roy Jones' weight?

Why I don't believe Roy Jones story about the weight loss

Jones Jr.: It really wasn't hard at all. I have good eating habits. I worked hard, the good part it was so easy. I did it the right way. Losing it was a problem that I didn't think I'd have. My back was having a hard time because it wasn't used to carrying that much weight. So I had a really hard time, even during the fight. After round seven I knew my back was going to give mea problem, and it did. It was a heck of a transformation to gain 25 pounds of muscle in six weeks was very difficult.

http://www.mensfitness.com/sports/at...-chance?page=2

point 1:

However, even if we are dedicated (some may call it obsessed) and diligent about our nutrition, with proper training and recuperation practices, we still would not be able to add more than 1 pound of muscle in a week. That's right, only one pound a week--and this is assuming you've had a darn good week both inside and outside the gym!

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki2.htm
The most muscle he could of put on in 6 weeks is 6lbs. And seeing as how he was training for an endurance sport he would not of been able to do that. All of that cardio burns muscle as well as fat

point 2:

Two days before the fight, Ruiz weighed in at 226 pounds. Jones tipped the scales at 193 wearing an estimated three pounds of clothes. That was well above his previous high fighting weight of 175 pounds.

He weighed in on the official scale at 193 lbs

point 3:

But as conditioner Mackie Shilstone, who helped Jones prepare for Ruiz, explained, "Roy came to me at 192 pounds with 8.7 percent body fat. All we did was change the composition; bring his body fat down to six percent."

Shilstone admits to Hauser that he was really only 193 lbs

So why was Jones so fatigued during the last three rounds of his fight with Tarver I?

Also, Jones had a problem, After the weigh-in on Friday, despite being famished, he had eaten lightly. He didn't want the type of stomach cramps that Roberto Duran is believed to have suffered from in his "no mas" fight against Sugar Ray Leonard. Nor did he want to come in bloated as James Toney had done in their 1994 encounter. "It's been so long since I ate a lot," Roy explained. "I didn't want to take a chance and eat too much and have a problem."

But on Saturday, there was a problem anyway. Merkerson had speculated that Roy would enter the ring just shy of 190 pounds. However, an hour before the fight when Jones stepped on the HBO scale, it registered 186. That included five pounds of clothes and personal accessories. In other words, Roy weighed 181 pounds. His stomach had been queasy all day. He had barely eaten. He would be entering the ring in a depleted physical state.

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/jones-ruiz-and-the-roy-jones-legacy1

He walked into the ring semi-dehydrated and malnourished. That is why he faded during that fight

There is no evidence that moving down a division damages you. Plenty of other fighters have down it, with no long term side effects. Manny Steward ridicules the idea that weight loss can cause permanent damage.

Going into Tarver II Jones said he was fine and had much more energy. He didn't even start using the weight loss excuse until after 2 years of moving back to lhw. He was so weight drained that he didn't notice it for 2 years?

He fought and lost to a better fighter and his ego wouldn't allow him to accept it. Its really that simple

[JAB5239]

Excellent and informative stuff!!

[Steak]

I never really bought into the 'going down in weight killed Jones' thing. Natural aging and diminshing of reflexes and speed? I can accept that. But going from at most 193 to 175lbs again permanently killin you, even after 8 months of prep to get back down? eh...

[IMDAZED]

Why I don't believe Roy Jones story about the weight loss


http://www.mensfitness.com/sports/at...-chance?page=2

point 1:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki2.htm
The most muscle he could of put on in 6 weeks is 6lbs. And seeing as how he was training for an endurance sport he would not of been able to do that. All of that cardio burns muscle as well as fat

point 2:

He weighed in on the official scale at 193 lbs

point 3:

Shilstone admits to Hauser that he was really only 193 lbs

So why was Jones so fatigued during the last three rounds of his fight with Tarver I?

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/jones-ruiz-and-the-roy-jones-legacy1

He walked into the ring semi-dehydrated and malnourished. That is why he faded during that fight

There is no evidence that moving down a division damages you. Plenty of other fighters have down it, with no long term side effects. Manny Steward ridicules the idea that weight loss can cause permanent damage.

Going into Tarver II Jones said he was fine and had much more energy. He didn't even start using the weight loss excuse until after 2 years of moving back to lhw. He was so weight drained that he didn't notice it for 2 years?

He fought and lost to a better fighter and his ego wouldn't allow him to accept it. Its really that simple

Fighters make excuses, Toney. For the last time, it's not as if he was in his prime here. He had been slipping long before, as you yourself said. As anyone who had been watching him could see.

[IMDAZED]

The Jones-Benn Negotiations part 3

Reason 1:

Through out 95-95 Jones claimed the reason the fight couldn't happen was because King was demanding options

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_19960114/ai_n9700832/pg_2/?tag=content;col1

Warren disputes this claiming that neither him Benn or King have heard anything from Jones

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_19960114/ai_n9700832/pg_2/?tag=content;col1

A point I would like to make is that Jones was prepared to fight Tito (2001) knowing full well he would of had to give King options. Also he gave King options to fight Ruiz and later on Tito.
So where the options the real problem?

Reason 2:

After the McClellan fight Benn gave King another options co-promote his next three fights. So I don't know what Jones is talking about here

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/box996x.htm

Reason 3:

http://www.8countnews.com/news/125/ARTICLE/2884/2010-09-06.html

Benn as I showed before didn't get divorced until mid 96, so this is a down right lie. The fact that Jones is constantly changing his story hurts his credibility

KO artists


HBO

The Dark Trade page 357

Seth Abraham reiterates Toney's point:

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/hbo-boxing-the-challenge

And finally:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/box12-97.htm

http://www.ea$tsideboxing.com/news.php?p=1263&more=1
change $ to s


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/othe...ts/1231306.stm

You would like to believe that King wouldn't ask fighters like Jones to sign with him in order to face one of his own fighters because Frank Warren - King's closest friend in the industry - says so. When I pointed out two examples of King doing just that, you said it was false. Guess what? Both were true. But Promoter Warren says different so you are running with that. Go ahead.

[Vadrigar.]

Fighters make excuses, Toney. For the last time, it's not as if he was in his prime here. He had been slipping long before, as you yourself said. As anyone who had been watching him could see.

Yeah you can't have it both ways. As I said before, Tarver proved he was a better fighter in 2004 but there's no way of knowing if he was a better fighter, period. They never fought in their primes.

[Toney616]

Excellent and informative stuff!!

Thank you

[Toney616]

I never really bought into the 'going down in weight killed Jones' thing. Natural aging and diminshing of reflexes and speed? I can accept that. But going from at most 193 to 175lbs again permanently killin you, even after 8 months of prep to get back down? eh...

lol
Also he forgot to mention the fact that he was 185 lbs and drained down to make 175. So he killed himself moving down from 193-185?

[Toney616]

Fighters make excuses, Toney. For the last time, it's not as if he was in his prime here. He had been slipping long before, as you yourself said. As anyone who had been watching him could see.

He clearly wasnt the same guy who stepped in the ring with Sosa, no doubt about that. But on the flip side the weight loss excuse is nonsense.

[Toney616]

You would like to believe that King wouldn't ask fighters like Jones to sign with him in order to face one of his own fighters because Frank Warren - King's closest friend in the industry - says so.

The options reason is just one of Jones's multiple reasons for why the fight didn't happen.

Benn has a time machine?

When I pointed out two examples of King doing just that, you said it was false. Guess what? Both were true. But Promoter Warren says different so you are running with that. Go ahead.

I said I didn't know if King promoted the Jones-Tarver fights.

I also said that the options never stopped Jones doing business with King

Warren has just as much credibility as Roy 'time machine' Jones