Sometimes I Wonder Why Did Roy Ever Waste His Time Fighting Fighters Like.....

[JAB5239]

HBO had their eye on Calzaghe hoping that a Jones-Calzaghe fight would happen at some point in the future.
HBO chief, Lou Dibella,

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer.../15/fshead.htm

It was after Warren heard that Jones was planning to drop down to smw that he started trying to arrange a Jones-Calzaghe fight. Hence:

Not in chronological order, but the articles are from 2000-2007

Frank Warren:

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Calzag...rt)-a064184717

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/wales/921983.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/977088.stm

Roy Jones:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/wales/1305307.stm

Some people have said that Calzaghe was a nobody back then that was true, but so was most of Jones opponents post Toney. That never stopped those fights from happening

Excellent research and post!

[Toney616]

Collins, Benn, Eubank, McClellan, Calzaghe, Michalzweski, Ricchigiani and Nunn.

After beating Griiffn Jones had 90 days to come to an arrangement with his mandatory Michael Nunn

ones has a mandatory defense of his W.B.C. light heavyweight title in 90 days. But that fight could be put on hold if Jones can reach an agreement with the W.B.C. and its No. 1 contender, Michael Nunn.

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/08/09/sp...ut.html?src=pm

They couldnt agree on the purse, so the fight went to purse bids, which Nunn promoters won with a purse bid of 2.4m

Denver-based America Presents secured promotional rights to the fight with a purse bid of $2.4 million. America Presents promotes fights for Nunn, who has been a world champion twice in his career.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-67750332.html
The purse was agreed to get split 75-25 in Jones favour. Jones would of got 1.8m and Nunn would of got 400k. But Jones then decided to pull out.
According to Jones the fight would of violated his agreement with HBO

Roy Jones Jr. will relinquish his WBC light heavyweight title rather than defend it against Michael Nunn in a bout not televised by HBO-TVKO, according to release Wednesday night by Square Ring Inc., his promotional company.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BRIEFL...LE.-a083890905
According to Nunn that was just an excuse to get out of the fight:

Roy Jones Jr.: The WBC light-heavyweight champ says his title is not worth breaking a television contract.

"If I sign for the fight, I violate the contract," said Jones, a four-time world champion with a 35-1 record, including 30 knockouts. "I'm the best fighter in the world. What does a title mean?"

Jones vacated the 175-pound title last week rather than sign a contract to fight No. 1 contender Michael Nunn for $1.8 million. He has one fight remaining on a three-year contract with Home Box Office and its pay-per-view network, TVKO.

However, Nunn's promoter, America Presents, won the purse bid for the proposed title fight and wanted to stage it Jan. 17 on a competing pay-per-view system, Request TV.

Nunn accused Jones of using the television contract as an excuse to dodge him.

"Roy Jones Jr. is the Neveready bunny. He just keeps running, running and running," Nunn said. "He doesn't want to fight anybody with a pulse."

http://community.seattletimes.nwsour...9&slug=2571241

After the fight fell through Nunn would say that that fight was his last chance to have a megafight. None of the fab four wanted to fight him and neither did Jones.

Nunns promoters would arrange a fight with William Guthrie in the hope that the winner of the fight would get a title shot. Hence:

The WBC moved the 36-year-old two-time former champion into the No. 1 contender's position shortly after that seventh-round knockout. That sets up a possible big-money match vs. WBC champ Roy Jones Jr. Or, if Jones declines to fight as he did two years ago, Nunn could be looking at a rematch with Graciano Rocchigiani for a belt Jones would be forced to relinquish.

So Nunn became Jones's mandatory AGAIN

Jones response was that he would drag his feet on making another defense of his wbc title. The wbc let him get away with and Jones didnt have to make another defense until 2002 (his previous defense before that was against Frazier in 99). Which left Nunn's career in limbo for two years.

Nunn, who was to have boxed Woods in a final eliminator for Jones's title, missed his flight and is now claiming an injury. Promoter Frank Maloney confirmed Nunn's withdrawal, adding: "We're sorry for Clinton but we have looked at everyone in the world's top 15 and nobody is available at short notice. We hope this means he will get a shot at Roy Jones."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...for-Woods.html

After waiting for years Nunn was told that he had to fight Clinton woods in an elimination bout. Nunn would pull out. His reasons were he had and injury in camp. Another reason could of been he was tired of getting messed around. He was the no 1 mando for 2 years and now he has to take part in an eliminator bout?

6 years later Jones would find himself in the same position as Nunn. His career was derailed and he needed the top lhw champ Calzaghe to give him a shot.

The word karma comes to mind

[Toney616]

Excellent research and post!

Thank you

[Toney616]

I love it when people back up their claims with quotes and sources, its so refreshing.

Im surprised you went through all the effort, but thanks for doing it.

Your welcome.
I've got to go now, but my aim is to work my way through Jabs list of possible opponents for Jones.

[IMDAZED]

Thats kind of funny especially when its coming from you

You claim that HBO made an offer to Benn early 1996. But the truth is that both of us know thats not true because:
1: HBO are not promoters
2: It was Jones responsiblity to make the fights, not HBO
3: you have no evidence to back up your claim in the past your evidence was

That's pretty naive. HBO isn't a promoter in title only. Take a look around - they are the biggest promoter in the sport.

In the past you claimed Jones called out Benn. Thats not true either. Benn-McClellan would of been already set up at that point and Jones thought Benn was going to lose

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After beating McClellan Benn starts to call out Jones. You can hear King in the background promising to get Benn the fight

Jones response

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/j...n-1323327.html

Benn

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Jones

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What does this prove to you exactly? Read the quotes and what do you surmise? Does it sound like Jones is ducking? If yes, based on what?

[IMDAZED]

Tarver got down from 215 lbs to 185 lbs in 8 weeks

That's wonderful. But Antonio Tarver wasn't packing on muscle. He put on weight for a movie, not a fight.

Glen Johnson was 190 lbs come fight night against Cloud. Had been a lhw for about 5 years and got down to fight at smw, with about 1 month notice

I don't recall Johnson being 190 - can you verify? Once you do, we'll get right to the point.

Eubank had outgrown the smw and was competing at lhw when he got the call to drop down to fight Calzaghe at smw. He dropped around 8-10 lbs in 10 days

You're saying this as if it benefited him, whether he said it did or didn't.

None of these fighters claim to have destroyed themselves.

Actually, Tarver definitely spoke on the weight.

After he was ktfo Jones's excuse was that he wasnt motivated to fight Tarver.

After the Johnson loss his excuse was that he didnt train properly

After the Tarver III loss his excuse was somthing about his Dad being there

The destroyed by the weight loss excuse not only was his fourth excuse, Dude didnt start using it until 2 years after the fact. Im so destroyed by the weight loss that it took me 2 years to notice it? lol

I'm not sure what your point is here? That the weight loss didn't affect him? Prior to the first Tarver fight, he was asked in the locker room how he felt (typical question) and he responded, "1-10 I feel like a seven." And it was the first thing he mentioned post fight. Moving down two divisions at that advanced stage certainly didn't help. But more importantly, Jones had already slowed down quite a bit by then. My friend, Roy Jones wasn't in his prime.

Dude's chin never was really tested during his prime. He barely got hit and he never fought a ko artist. As I said before that fact that he got dropped by lou de valle, who isnt a big puncher, should tell you that his chin wasnt exactly rock solid.

Barely got hit and never fought a KO artist. What a genius that guy was. To fight professionally for over 20 years and avoid the two. If you don't think Jones never got hit clean or never faced a hard puncher...I can't help you.
Second, Lou Del Valle hit pretty ****ing hard. And held a sizeable advantage over Roy in that fight, weighing 192 on fight night. Third, both he and Roy slipped several times in that fight as the floor was pretty wet. You act as if Jones fell and was badly hurt or something. He took plenty of hard shots that fight BTW, including much bigger lefts. BTW, he took plenty of hard shots in the first Tarver fight. Or was that an illusion?

[IMDAZED]

Lewis ko win round 3

It never could of happened because after Lewis beat Vitali he was ordered by the WBC to give Vitali an immediate rematch.

The funny thing is Vitali at one point was Jones's mandatory:

http://www.ea$tsideboxing.com/boxing-news/scoop0603.php
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Vitali vacated his spot to fight Lewis which meant that Tua came into the picture:

http://www.********boxing.com/boxing-news/tua1006.php

You see Toney, when you go so hard to pick a fighter apart, you sometimes end up picking your own argument apart. Follow:

Don King refused to offer Roy Jones a fight against any of his fighters unless Jones gave him options (see: your own post regarding Benn a couple pages ago). Hence, any offer from King was turned down and any offer from Jones to one of King's fighters was turned down unless King had options. Bernard Hopkins faced a similar situation as MW champ (trying to fight Joppy and Holmes) and eventually had to give in to fight Tito.

In that same fashion, Jones eventually had to give up rights to King to fight Ruiz. I told you before that Hasim Rahman was Jones' mandatory, which is right. The WBA ordered Rahman-Tua III for the mandatory challenger to Jones' crown. And of course King pulled those strings to have the WBA do so because Rahman was his fighter. And King had further rights on Jones, including the two Tarver bouts. But...what is your point here? That Jones ducked Vitali? He negotiated with Holyfield who felt the amount he was making ($8 million) was too little given the pot. When that fight failed to materialize, he moved back down to LHW. So why bring up Vitali and then say well it never could've happened? I don't understand your point here but maybe you should apply that logic elsewhere .

[Toney616]

That's pretty naive. HBO isn't a promoter in title only. Take a look around - they are the biggest promoter in the sport.



What does this prove to you exactly? Read the quotes and what do you surmise? Does it sound like Jones is ducking? If yes, based on what?

The rules have changed now. When you provide some proof then we can debate

[IMDAZED]

The rules have changed now. When you provide some proof then we can debate

If the rules have changed what proof have you provided? Fighters talking about fighting? Well ****, I can pull up plenty of links with Jones talking about Benn. That proves nothing. You've gone so far off tangent that in order to defend your notion that Roy Jones wasn't somehow affected by the weight loss, you're bringing up Vitali Klitschko's heavyweight contender history. So what "proof" have you shown in either instance? Or did you forget what you were debating in your rush to attack Jones?

[Toney616]

That's wonderful. But Antonio Tarver wasn't packing on muscle. He put on weight for a movie, not a fight.

He was playing the part of a HW champion. His intention was to put on muscle, not fat. The fact that he was making a movie changes nothing. When you bulk up the intention is to convert as much of that food as possible into muscle, instead of fat. Dude just bulked up wrong. Which doesnt mean that he didn't put on muscle, it just means that he had a thick layer of fat covering them.

Dont want to write such a long post, but it can't be helped:

When you put yourself in a position when you use up more energy (calories) than you consume, say due to exercise, your body has no choice but to look for internal sources of energy to make up the difference. It's first source of energy is fat. The problem with fat burning is that your body tries to hold onto the fat. What happens is as your body becomes stronger it starts to run more efficiently and needs less energy. In other words the rate at which you burn fat starts to slow down. Which is why you have to increase the intensity of your workouts to offset this mechanism.

Due to the fact that your body needs fat for other processes like metabolizing vitamins, it will only exclusively burn fat up to a point, when your bodyfat reserves start hitting really low levels it starts to look to another energy source. The next source is protein (your muscles)

Its the reason why athletes in endurance sports look lean and not muscle bound. Its also the reason why its so damn hard to pack on muscle in boxing and the reason why boxers resort to steroids.

Translation it was harder for Tarver, because he had to burn his body fat before he could start to burn his muscles. If Jones kept in the same shape then he would of burned muscle from day one seeing as how his body fat was so low, 6%.