Agree Or Disagree, Roy Jones Jr Top 30 ATG?

[SCtrojansbaby]

true roy worked off immese natural talent .. speed and reflexes and in his prime v the competition he was facing never had to work overly hard on the fundamentals ... how often did he throw the jab? Compare that to somebody like hopkins who had the fundamentals down to 't' Thus when they got a bit older and the speed and reactions slowed roy was no longer able to rely on his gifts to get him out of trouble and ended up getting dumped on his ass again and again whereas Hopkins still kept on winning. Roy could no longer land these miraclous almost impossible shots almost at will and without having worked so much on the basic fundamentals he was screwed.

Got news for you fundmentals have nothing to do with it almost all great fighters begin to lose it when they are in their mid/late 30s and have 50+ pro fights.

Comparing anybody to Hopkins as far as longevity goes is ******.

[MRBOOMER]

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My man, you gotta do some serious homework on Spinks. Mustafa Muhammad, Lopez, Marvin Johnson and Qawi are all better than ANYONE Jones beat at 175. Holmes is 10x better than Ruiz was.[/

The Larry holmes win for spinks don't really show anything I mean he barely beat the man and alot of people don't think he beat him I know I don't.

[JAB5239]

Toney was always struggling to make weight Roy just made him look bad

Exactly. He made a weight drained fighter look bad. You're learning!

[JAB5239]

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My man, you gotta do some serious homework on Spinks. Mustafa Muhammad, Lopez, Marvin Johnson and Qawi are all better than ANYONE Jones beat at 175. Holmes is 10x better than Ruiz was.[/

The Larry holmes win for spinks don't really show anything I mean he barely beat the man and alot of people don't think he beat him I know I don't.

Considering 48 others before him couldn't beat Holmes and he was the first lightheavyweight champion to move up and win the heavyweight title since (I believe) Gene Tunney almost 60 years earlier, its a very significant win in my opinion.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Exactly. He made a weight drained fighter look bad. You're learning!

Exactly the same weight drained fighter who beat McCallum, Nunn etc

[JAB5239]

Exactly the same weight drained fighter who beat McCallum, Nunn etc

You again show your ignorance. Toney weighed in below the limit for all 3 of those fights. Im betting you can't show a shred of proof that says Toney was struggling to make weight in those fights. The Jones fight on the other hand.....well thats been covered and documented.

[SCtrojansbaby]

You again show your ignorance. Toney weighed in below the limit for all 3 of those fights. Im betting you can't show a shred of proof that says Toney was struggling to make weight in those fights. The Jones fight on the other hand.....well thats been covered and documented.

LOL of course Toney was weight drained against Roy but no one else. Everybody who Roy beat was weight drained when they fought him. Roy Jones has some magical ability to make fighters weight drained he is a warlock. Roy Jones is the worst fighter of all time

[IMDAZED]

You again show your ignorance. Toney weighed in below the limit for all 3 of those fights. Im betting you can't show a shred of proof that says Toney was struggling to make weight in those fights. The Jones fight on the other hand.....well thats been covered and documented.

Toney always had weight issues. His whole career. The only time it was ever an excuse was when he got his ass handed to him in his prime.

[JAB5239]

Toney always had weight issues. His whole career. The only time it was ever an excuse was when he got his ass handed to him in his prime.

The fact is that Toney was specifically struggling to make weight for the Jones fight and not the others that were pointed out. This cannot be changed. I do on the other hand think Jones would have beaten him regardless of this issue. But to pretend it didn't happen and that James was at his best is simply untrue.

[IMDAZED]

The fact is that Toney was specifically struggling to make weight for the Jones fight and not the others that were pointed out. This cannot be changed. I do on the other hand think Jones would have beaten him regardless of this issue. But to pretend it didn't happen and that James was at his best is simply untrue.

How do you know he didn't struggle with weight for other fights? The man was struggling with weight from day one. That's why he moved up to 168 in the first place. And even then, he was taking interim fights above the LHW limit. He always struggled with weights. It was only an issue when he got his ass kicked. But either way, it's irrelevant. The win doesn't lose anything so debating the weight doesn't mean much.