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  • #51
    Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View Post
    I am beating a dead horse but it still amazes me that anyone could have Pernell that high.

    I think you people just see someone else put him high so everybody else does it to because no one can honestly think wins over Buddy Mcgirt x2 and Julio Cesar Vasquez are greater then say Barrera's wins against Morales x2 Hamed Tapia Ayala Mckinney
    Again, the TS clearly stated the timeline is from 90-2010.

    So that does include Azumah Nelson.

    Add the clear victory over Chavez to that and it's abudently clear he ATLEAST belongs in the list.

    Add the fact he was crowned world champion across 3 weight classes in that decade and defended his Lightweight title many times. Then his ranking across the decade.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
      Again, the TS clearly stated the timeline is from 90-2010.

      So that does include Azumah Nelson.

      Add the clear victory over Chavez to that and it's abudently clear he ATLEAST belongs in the list.

      Add the fact he was crowned world champion across 3 weight classes in that decade and defended his Lightweight title many times. Then his ranking across the decade.
      I'm pretty sure he rates Virgil Hill above Pea....

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      • #53
        Originally posted by RubenSonny View Post
        I'm pretty sure he rates Virgil Hill above Pea....
        What a joke.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
          Again, the TS clearly stated the timeline is from 90-2010.

          So that does include Azumah Nelson.

          Add the clear victory over Chavez to that and it's abudently clear he ATLEAST belongs in the list.

          Add the fact he was crowned world champion across 3 weight classes in that decade and defended his Lightweight title many times. Then his ranking across the decade.

          He edited that in later. He originally had it 91-2011 which the is the last 21 years which the thread title still states. And a win over Nelson put him in the top 10 but definitely in the lower half.

          If we are giving fantasy wins then he still wouldn't be over Barrera who has fantasy wins over Morales(1st fight) Marquez and Junior Jones

          Morales x3 Hamed Marquez Jones Mckinney Tapia Ayala

          are far greater then

          Nelson McGirt x2 Chavez(above 140) Vasquez Pineda Wilfredo Rivera x2

          If you claim other wise then you simply do not know **** about boxing

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          • #55
            Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View Post
            He edited that in later. He originally had it 91-2011 which the is the last 21 years which the thread title still states. And a win over Nelson put him in the top 10 but definitely in the lower half.

            If we are giving fantasy wins then he still wouldn't be over Barrera who has fantasy wins over Morales(1st fight) Marquez and Junior Jones

            Morales x3 Hamed Marquez Jones Mckinney Tapia Ayala

            are far greater then

            Nelson McGirt x2 Chavez(above 140) Vasquez Pineda Wilfredo Rivera x2

            If you claim other wise then you simply do not know **** about boxing
            91-2011 is 20 years. Not 21.

            Whitaker's 'fantasy win' was much clearer than Barrera's controversial ones over Morales.

            You will find many people who agree that Whitaker should be ranked higher than Barrera over the last 20 years. You will be hard fought finding someone who agrees with the other way round. Ever wonder why that might be?

            Oh, yeah, I don't know **** about Boxing, definitely. Virgill Hill is definitely greater than Pernell Whitaker..

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            • #56
              Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View Post
              He edited that in later. He originally had it 91-2011 which the is the last 21 years which the thread title still states. And a win over Nelson put him in the top 10 but definitely in the lower half.

              If we are giving fantasy wins then he still wouldn't be over Barrera who has fantasy wins over Morales(1st fight) Marquez and Junior Jones

              Morales x3 Hamed Marquez Jones Mckinney Tapia Ayala

              are far greater then

              Nelson McGirt x2 Chavez(above 140) Vasquez Pineda Wilfredo Rivera x2

              If you claim other wise then you simply do not know **** about boxing
              2011-21 years=1990.

              And, anybody who doesn't have Whitaker in the top 5 in the last 21 years. Just simply doesn't know **** about boxing.

              @ ranking Virgil Hill>>>>Whitaker.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
                2011-21 years=1990.

                And, anybody who doesn't have Whitaker in the top 5 in the last 21 years. Just simply doesn't know **** about boxing.

                @ ranking Virgil Hill>>>>Whitaker.
                He doesn't have him in the top 10..

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
                  91-2011 is 20 years. Not 21.

                  Whitaker's 'fantasy win' was much clearer than Barrera's controversial ones over Morales.

                  You will find many people who agree that Whitaker should be ranked higher than Barrera over the last 20 years. You will be hard fought finding someone who agrees with the other way round. Ever wonder why that might be?

                  Oh, yeah, I don't know **** about Boxing, definitely. Virgill Hill is definitely greater than Pernell Whitaker..
                  You can't give fantasy wins one way and not give them the other way A resume of Morales x3 Hamed Mckinney is FAR greater then Chavez(above 140) Nelson(above 130) Vasquez Mcgirt x2 and you know it.

                  Math is not your strong suit

                  1.1991
                  2.1992
                  3.1993
                  4.1994
                  5.1995
                  6.1996
                  7.1997
                  8.1998
                  9.1999
                  10.2000
                  11.2001
                  12.2002
                  13.2003
                  14.2004
                  15.2005
                  16.2006
                  17.2007
                  18.2008
                  19.2009
                  20.2010
                  21. 2011

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                  • #59
                    I wouldn't rate Whitaker #1 if we're talking 1990 to present. Pacquiao, Jones, etc. would vehemently disagree. It's real tough to make a pound for pound list but if I did (don't quote me on this, it may change as soon as tomorrow), I'd rate them from 1990-present as:

                    1. Roy Jones Jr.
                    Jones was the Fighter of the Decade of the 90's over Whitaker and deservedly so. I don't count the losses post-Tarver III too much as, after that(and maybe before), he was a spent force. He was unbeatable in his prime, rarely losing a minute, let alone a round. It wasn't a brief period either, he dominated for about a decade. I think you can make a strong case for Pacquiao here but my vote goes to Jones.

                    2. Manny Pacquiao

                    Pacquiao would hover around the level of Barrera and Morales on this list if his run ended at 130 but it didn't. While his wins in higher divisions don't rank with his wins in the lower ones, stoppages of Cotto and Hatton - particularly how it was done - were highly impressive and catapult him to the upper crust of this list. He's still not done and I think one or two more big wins (he has the opponents around him to do it) would put him on a list of names far smaller than this one.

                    3. Pernell Whitaker
                    Pea may have the glossiest wins on this list (Nelson, Chavez, McGirt, Oscar IMO). That's a pretty sick list of names. But he was also very uneven during that time following the Chavez win. The head-scratching performances against Rivera and the Hurtado bout was pretty bad. But if we went back another five years, he'd be #1 on this list easy.

                    4. Bernard Hopkins
                    I may be underrating Bernard a tad but I think we'll have a better idea of where he stands following this weekend. If he finally shows his age then I'll leave him at #4. I think his resume speaks for itself and while I'm not his biggest fan, he has the utmost respect from me. The Tito win was the stuff of legends; that performance was masterful. And that was his record breaking 14th defense of the middleweight crown. At 36. And he defended it about five more times. Then the leap to LHW to upset a top three pound for pounder in Tarver sealed his legacy as an ATG. It's incredible he still isn't done.

                    5. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
                    Floyd has the advantage of being undefeated but it's not a hollow 'O', his dossier is pretty strong. At 130-135, he could hang and beat nearly anyone. His stay at 140 was mediocre but his resume at 147 is solid. I suspect he has only one more great fight left in him (if that) so he may want to make it count. A win over Martinez/Pacquiao would push him to the top slot.

                    6. Erik Morales

                    7. Felix Trinidad

                    8. Marco Antonio Barrera

                    9. Evander Holyfield

                    10. Ricardo Lopez
                    Last edited by IMDAZED; 05-18-2011, 08:02 PM.

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                    • #60
                      The more I think about it, the more I wanna move Pea higher.

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