how good was ken buchanan?

[IronDanHamza]

I would say Benny Leonards era was the greatest, the reason I have him the LW king.

I meant he was in an excellent era which including arguablly the greatest Lightweight ever (Duran).

[Barn]

I meant he was in an excellent era which including arguablly the greatest Lightweight ever (Duran).

Sorry about that, completely misread it. Anyway, How do you feel about the stoppage in the 13th? I think it's weird Duran was most certainly heading to a victory so I think it would be unfair to disqualify him but, he blasted him right in the testes and Ken had trouble p*ssing for years!

At first, I thought Ken was playing on it, but after the discovery of pain in later years it's difficult to deny the severety of that punch.

Won it from one Panama legend and lost it to a greater one.

[IronDanHamza]

Sorry about that, completely misread it. Anyway, How do you feel about the stoppage in the 13th? I think it's weird Duran was most certainly heading to a victory so I think it would be unfair to disqualify him but, he blasted him right in the testes and Ken had trouble p*ssing for years!

At first, I thought Ken was playing on it, but after the discovery of pain in later years it's difficult to deny the severety of that punch.

Won it from one Panama legend and lost it to a greater one.

It was a foul, a brutal one.

But had Buchanan won by DQ, the wrong man would have won.

But it was a foul, and a bad one.

I honestly believe if he never happened to be in Duran's era he could have ruled that division. Shame.

[Barn]

It was a foul, a brutal one.

But had Buchanan won by DQ, the wrong man wouldn't have won.

But it was a foul, and a bad one.

I honestly believe if he never happened to be in Duran's era he could have ruled that division. Shame.

I know, he's a relaly likeable guy, does a whole lot of stuff for charity and boxing clubs in Scotland.

[Daddy T]

The guy was a warrior, unfortunately I've only seen the Duran fight and some other one on espn that I can't really remember so I don't know about rankings and stuff but judging from the duran fight the guy was good and would be well able to give pretty much anybody a real hard time

[Pastrano]

tnx for all these insights boys...

was carlos ortiz still in his prime when ken beat him or was he already shot that time?

Carlos was shot for sure, it was his last fight. The once tough as nails brawler retired after only 6 rounds, that should say it all.

[StarshipTrooper]

I have Buchanan rated somewhere between 13 and 20: Not bad at all considering how loaded the division has been historically

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[Wild Blue Yonda]

That's your opinion.

Many righfully consider him in the Top 15.

Bumping him down a few spaces doesn't sound abserb to me considering how long he was actually considered at the top of the LW division in an excellent career that included ATG LW's and possibly the greatest Lightweight ever.

Like I said, I can almost garantee everyone in this section will have differing #9 and #10. Some most of us won't agree with.

You're right, that is my opinion. I cannot possibly see a case for him as top-10 material, & I am resolute on that --- he struggles to crack my top-20, being honest. If you notice, I have plenty of respect for Buchanan --- I'm not sleighting the man in the least, I am only speaking of what a hugely deep division (the best ever, IMO) Lightweight is historically.

[BennyST]

Great, great fighter and very underrated by the majority of people. In his heyday, he was the height of grace and skill. A purists dream really. He was the antithesis of a Ricky Hatton though and would have run circles around someone like him.

As for where he rates, we all have to remember just how amazingly deep 135 is. Arguably the deepest division of all, so I'd have to say somewhere around 15-20 or so.

Without Duran (poor De Jesus and Buchanan), he'd have been the champ for a long time and would have gone down as much greater than he is today and actually be remembered for the great fighter he was instead of being remembered as the guy who had the title when Duran came along.

He should have actually been undefeated when he went in against Duran. His lone loss was a poor decision in Venezuela against the very fine champion, but hometown fighter Vasquez or whatever his name was. After that (Duran) he didn't lose again until fighting the great lightweight champ Ishimatsu. I think the Duran loss really took it's toll on him though, mentally and possibly physically too. It was a brutal fight and Duran was a true madman in that. He was fighting the 13th round as mad as someone in the first. Quite incredible to watch.

[IronDanHamza]

You're right, that is my opinion. I cannot possibly see a case for him as top-10 material, & I am resolute on that --- he struggles to crack my top-20, being honest. If you notice, I have plenty of respect for Buchanan --- I'm not sleighting the man in the least, I am only speaking of what a hugely deep division (the best ever, IMO) Lightweight is historically.

I agree, it's also the deepest division ever in my opinion. I understand that.

But that's why, atleast the last few spaces, could be debated forever.

Maybe I'm holding him in slightly too high regard, but I think Top 15 is absolutely reasonable. A few spaces higher isn't abserd, to me.