how good was ken buchanan?

[Scott9945]

tnx for all these insights boys...

was carlos ortiz still in his prime when ken beat him or was he already shot that time?

Good question. Ortiz was on a comeback from retirement. I heard many years ago that he showed up to the weigh in dead drunk (allegedly). Ortiz was getting outboxed but not taking any serious punishment when he quit in his corner for no apparent reason. He never fought again.

[IronDanHamza]

tnx for all these insights boys...

was carlos ortiz still in his prime when ken beat him or was he already shot that time?

Ortiz was done by the time Buchanan fought him.

Mid 30's, the last fight of a long, tough career.

[IronDanHamza]

Good question. Ortiz was on a comeback from retirement. I heard many years ago that he showed up to the weigh in dead drunk (allegedly). Ortiz was getting outboxed but not taking any serious punishment when he quit in his corner for no apparent reason. He never fought again.

Ortiz was done.

He hadn't won a legit fight in many years and when he did there was showing clear signs of decline. Which was years prior to his short retirement.

Ortiz was done when he fought Buchanan, no question.

[talip bin osman]

o tnx scott & irondan...

i recall he was a master boxer... his fight with laguna (a master boxer himself) must hav been a great, tactical chessmatch...

[Boxing Bob]

a good fighter no doubt. But not an ATG, and definitly not a top 10 lightweight!

[talip bin osman]

'just searched the site and came up with this...

http://www.boxingscene.com/-top-25-l...e-11-25--22737

the guy is a legit HOF, though he didnt make it to cliff rold's top 10...

[JAB5239]

'just searched the site and came up with this...

http://www.boxingscene.com/-top-25-l...e-11-25--22737

the guy is a legit HOF, though he didnt make it to cliff rold's top 10...

You have to remember how historically deep the lightweight division is.

[talip bin osman]

You have to remember how historically deep the lightweight division is.

yeah thats correct... in fact just now, i posted on the other thread exactly how deep this division is...

[IronDanHamza]

Alot of people think he's a Top 10 LW, alot of people don't.

You will get that with divisions like Lightweight.

People could argue all who belongs between 7-10 at LW, WW and MW. Literally.

Buchanan is an ATG LW, though. No doubt about that.

[Wild Blue Yonda]

Very good fighter from my homeland usually given the acolade of Top 20 LW. Beat good fighters such as Ismael Laguma, Jim Watt and Carlos Ortiz amongst a host of other condeners.

Only lost 8 times most of which came past prime.

He was a classic boxer puncher posessing a good jab and ring IQ and is in my opinion the 2nd greatest fighter to com out of Scotland.

I consider LW the deepest division for legends, which is no mean feat (Welter, Middle & Feather are all very good historically), & to that end, I think top-20 is too lofty for Buchanan. Top-30 is about what I would have him in, & I do think he'd get the best of Castillo & Marquez at the weight. I can't quite grasp what BigStereo means by thinking of Buchanan as a career opponent. The fighters you mentioned he beat were outstanding figures, not just for their time, but all-time. Hell, Ortiz is the best Puerto Rican fighter in history, to my mind.

Buchanan was a very capable champ. Top 25-30 at LW is the equivalent of being top 12-15 at Heavy.