how good was ken buchanan?

[Scott9945]

Buchanan is certainly worthy of the HOF. But he isn't even close to top 10 all time at 135.

[Dave Rado]

Alot of people think he's a Top 10 LW, alot of people don't.

You will get that with divisions like Lightweight.

People could argue all who belongs between 7-10 at LW, WW and MW. Literally.

Buchanan is an ATG LW, though. No doubt about that.

Problem with putting him in the top 10 is his resume. He had a very short title reign, admittedly against very good competition, before losing to Duran, and after that loss, his only really good win was against Jim Watt, who was good but far from great.

That said, Duran beat him with an illegal punch, in what had been a competitive fight, and refused to give him a rematch; and in terms of skills alone you could argue he gets into the top 10. But ATG lists are based on resume as much as skills and taking both together, I think it's hard to argue for such a high placing.

He's in the top 10 British fighters of all time at any weight, though, without a doubt. And it's hard to choose between him and Benny Lynch for #1 Scottish fighter of all time.

[Dave Rado]

Buchanan is certainly worthy of the HOF. But he isn't even close to top 10 all time at 135.

Depends on your definition of "close". I've never seen an ATG list from a credible source that has him outside the top 20, and some have him in the top 15. That's fairly close as I define the word "close".

[IronDanHamza]

Buchanan is certainly worthy of the HOF. But he isn't even close to top 10 all time at 135.

I don't see why not. There are plenty of people who consider him to be so.

I mean, he was considered to be a Top 10 fighter at LW for 8 consecutive years, 7 of them Top 5 and 2 of them the Lineal Champion of the world. In an excellent era of Lightweights.

Beat;

Maurice Cullen
Frankie Navarez
Al Ford
Carlos Ortiz (past prime)
Carlos Hernandez
Ismael Laguna x2
Ruben Navarro
Jim Watt
Antoino Puddu

Pretty solid list of names. Also considering Laguna is considered by some to be a Top 20-25 ATG LW.

2 title defences of his Lineage until he had probably the most terrible luck of any Lineal Lightweight Champion in history and just so happened to bump into Roberto Duran on his 3rd title defence.

Not saying that he is a sure fire Top 10 LW, not at all. The division is too deep for that considering places #9 and mainly #10 is open for huge debate. I garantee most of us in here have different people at #9 and #10.

Plently consider Buchanan to be a Top 15 ATG LW. I don't it's abserd for someone to have him at #10.

[IronDanHamza]

Depends on your definition of "close". I've never seen an ATG list from a credible source that has him outside the top 20, and some have him in the top 15. That's fairly close as I define the word "close".

Precisely.

I have seen him in the Top 15 on plenty of respected lists.

I have also seen him in the top 10 here and there.

I don't think it's that abserd.

[Wild Blue Yonda]

I do. Buchanan would never see the top-10 on my list.

[Steak]

I wouldnt have him as top 10 at lightweight, but thats really only because Lightweight is probably the deepest division of all time overall...its either that or Welterweight. Had he been a bantamweight or something, then no doubt at all hed be top 5. but thats way too much speculation...

Buchanan had brilliant boxing ability and a very impressive ring IQ. Had there been no Roberto Duran around, he might have ruled Lightweight for a number of years. Although I must say him vs Esteban DeJesus would have been very, very interesting.

He would have beaten Marquez pretty easily if you ask me(just a bad style matchup), and although I believe Castillo might have given him fits I think he might still be able to walk away with the win.

[RubenSonny]

He was an excellent lightweight IMO.

[IronDanHamza]

I do. Buchanan would never see the top-10 on my list.

That's your opinion.

Many righfully consider him in the Top 15.

Bumping him down a few spaces doesn't sound abserb to me considering how long he was actually considered at the top of the LW division in an excellent career that included ATG LW's and possibly the greatest Lightweight ever.

Like I said, I can almost garantee everyone in this section will have differing #9 and #10. Some most of us won't agree with.

[Barn]

That's your opinion.

Many righfully consider him in the Top 15.

Bumping him down a few spaces doesn't sound abserb to me considering how long he was actually considered at the top of the LW division in an excellent career that included ATG LW's and possibly the greatest Lightweight ever.

Like I said, I can almost garantee everyone in this section will have differing #9 and #10. Some most of us won't agree with.

I would say Benny Leonards era was the greatest, the reason I have him the LW king.