How does a prime Tyson shape up against other top HWs?

[Barn]

Its my opinion that Tyson would beat Ali. I dont expect everyone to agree with it though as Tyson peek was short so he doesnt have the longetivity to prove to everyone how great he was ability wise. Ali and most other greats take a Tyson without Kevin Rooney as his trainer into deep water I agree with that.

Tyson KOed Holmes and Spinks guys with Jabs better or at least nearly as good as Ali. Tysons speed in footwork and handspeed makes him one of the few guys who wouldnt be totally outmatched in those departments against Ali. Alis unorthodox defence, will not be effective in dealing with Tysons fast precise combinations. He has a great chin, but he is vulnerable to flush shots. The right shot or combination can KO anyone regardless of chin. Tyson was a great finisher also and his left hook was very good which is a punch Ali has trouble with. Tyson KOed people with his right and diferent type of punches though as well. JMO.

Holmes was 38, and Spinks was never a great HW. Even Futch admits that.

[pacquia0]

Holmes was 38, and Spinks was never a great HW. Even Futch admits that.

Bowe's win over Holyfield and Ali's win over Foreman being the exceptions. No other great has a win over a prime great.

Oh and all greats struggled with lesser opposition including Ali.

[Barn]

Bowe's win over Holyfield and Ali's win over Foreman being the exceptions. No other great has a win over a prime great.

Oh and all greats struggled with lesser opposition including Ali.

I'm confident there are much more examples that the ones you listed

Of course but, he is referring to styles AND ability not ability on its own.

[fight_professor]

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Frazier & Dempsey all dispatch him with relative ease.

Dude, really?

I have seen every fight MT has ever had and loads of Smoke too. Tyson is a better version of both these guys. Ok Joe had more heart, but less speed, power, a less good chin and inferior combo punching. Tyson would do to him what Foreman did.

As for Dempsey. Again, just feel Mike is too powerful and quick. A slug fest that sees the bigger force winning.

Also, Mike would KO Rocky who took far too many shots for my liking. I am a HW historian (moreso then the other divisions), and I can see cases for some besides Ali and Big GF who top Tyson for me. Holmes with his movement and Louis with his diverse skills, but honestly feel in a h2h, Tyson would spark Louis who had a suspect chin.

[pacquia0]

I'm confident there are much more examples that the ones you listed

Of course but, he is referring to styles AND ability not ability on its own.

I meant at heavyweight.

Do you dispute the fact Spinks and Holmes both had great jabs ?

[fight_professor]

So where do you rate MT on your alltime hw list? Both h2h and on overall achievements?

[lefthook2daliva]

The Tyson who fought Spinks beats any heavyweight in history. I cant see Ali lasting more than 3 rounds against that Tyson.

Spinks was scared to death. His manager or trainer or whoever was talkin' big smack and you could see that Spinks probably had to change his shorts after the interview. That matters alot.

Big George would not have been scared, it's MT that would have been scared.

Clay/Ali would not have been scared.

Nor Smokin' Joe.

Nor Larry Holmes

Nor Vitali Klitshko for that matter. Mike would have been scared.

I think prime Rid**** Bowe has a good chance as well.

[Barn]

So where do you rate MT on your alltime hw list? Both h2h and on overall achievements?

I think I have him at 11-10 in my ATG list and in a H2H list I'd probably have him around 6.

[Barn]

I meant at heavyweight.

Do you dispute the fact Spinks and Holmes both had great jabs ?

Look at Holmes prime piston jab then watch the fight again.

[JAB5239]

I think I have him at 11-10 in my ATG list and in a H2H list I'd probably have him around 6.

H2h lists are impossible. There will always be a scenario where one great fighter beats another. Greatness, in my opinion, should be defined over an entire career. It is still subjective, but not nearly as much.