Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[Barn]

Many of the people Pacquiao beat are going to the HOF, they are not elgible because many of them are still fighting.

He still wont reach 18 AND beat them on numerous occasions.

[SCtrojansbaby]

If you don't have Pacquiao as a top 15 modern boxer then you really should stop watching posting or even thinking about boxing.

As for people comparing his to prehistoric boxers like Harry Greb or Ray Robinson all I can do is laugh. Pre historic boxing and modern boxing are hardly even the same sport.

[JAB5239]

If you don't have Pacquiao as a top 15 modern boxer then you really should stop watching posting or even thinking about boxing.

As for people comparing his to prehistoric boxers like Harry Greb or Ray Robinson all I can do is laugh. Pre historic boxing and modern boxing are hardly even the same sport.

When you really don't know much about the history of the sport this is the outlook you get. Pac is a great fighter, but cleaning out a division or 2 or 3, when there are only 10 divisions and 1 title is far more impressive than what Pac has done.Manny is top 35 with room to move up. Had he unified all his championships THEN we could be talking top 15 or better.

[IronDanHamza]

If he moves up to MW gets a win over the likes of Sergio, beats Floyd Mayweather, maybe sticks around for a few defences, then we can start talking Top 20.

What you guys don't realise, people like Barney Ross.

Barney Ross, beat McLarlinx2 and Canzonerix2 both were the Floyd equivalent of that era.

See what I'm getting at, yes his weightclass jump is superb and warrants him around 35 at the moment but, he needs that BIG win in Mayweather to Get Top 30 and if he moves up to middle and beats Sergio we can start talking about, Top 25 possibly higher depending on how he deos it.

Are you referring to the NSB guys who have decided to join with this thread becasue it's about Pacqiuao or the History section regular's?

Because we know about Barney lol, he's in that list of 25 people I named off the top of my head aswell.

I'm in agreement with pretty much all of your post

[IronDanHamza]

When you really don't know much about the history of the sport this is the outlook you get. Pac is a great fighter, but cleaning out a division or 2 or 3, when there are only 10 divisions and 1 title is far more impressive than what Pac has done.Manny is top 35 with room to move up. Had he unified all his championships THEN we could be talking top 15 or better.

I agree except I have him maybe a few spaces lower at the moment personally.

If he were to beat Floyd Mayweather in impressive fashion it would ehnance his legacy by quite alot IMO.

[New England]

When you really don't know much about the history of the sport this is the outlook you get. Pac is a great fighter, but cleaning out a division or 2 or 3, when there are only 10 divisions and 1 title is far more impressive than what Pac has done.Manny is top 35 with room to move up. Had he unified all his championships THEN we could be talking top 15 or better.

i certainly agree more with your location of manny pacquiao among the great fighters than to place him, at this point in his career (the guy is still in his freakin prime) in the top ten or fifteen as said poster has suggested


in the defense of pacquiao (and for the sake of argument,) manny didn't have a wealth of big name contenders and other beltholders against whom he could make money and further cement a legacy

his move up to WW, without long stops in between, came largely from economic opportunity.

he moved back down to 140 to fight ricky hatton (lineal champ, you dont need me to tell you that,) and never returned to defend his titles because 140 was largely dead at the time

had he returned to 140 in today's climate for a ricky hatton (one of the biggest draws in boxing who moved an army of fans across an ocean to las vegas) he'd likely have made a defense or two against big fighters like khan and marquez (if TR fighters and GBP fighters would actually fight... imagine that...)



we cant give manny uneccessary flack for not remaining in divisions that might not have made financial sense, or greatly enhanced his resume


all that being said, if he wants to make a better impression with his next few fights than he's been making with the last couple, he should start taking real fights, and not no hopers

[New England]

I agree except I have him maybe a few spaces lower at the moment personally.

If he were to beat Floyd Mayweather in impressive fashion it would ehnance his legacy by quite alot IMO.

agreed. if the best floyd mayweather we've ever seen shows up and manny knocks him out i will
A: be shocked
B : start thinking about giving some serious, top tier historic credit for his accomplishments

unfortunately, there's been a lot going on with floyd (inactivity, his brain exploding and creating a string of awful decisions poking security guards and hitting women)

the win is going to be easier to poke holes into than it might have been if floyd wasnt floyd.
or if it had happened when i twas first proposed

[IronDanHamza]

agreed. if the best floyd mayweather we've ever seen shows up and manny knocks him out i will
A: be shocked
B : start thinking about giving some serious, top tier historic credit for his accomplishments

unfortunately, there's been a lot going on with floyd (inactivity, his brain exploding and creating a string of awful decisions poking security guards and hitting women)

the win is going to be easier to poke holes into than it might have been if floyd wasnt floyd.
or if it had happened when i twas first proposed

Personally, I can't see Manny Pacqiuao beating Floyd Mayweather.

But if Manny were to prove me wrong and win, in impressive fashion. Man, it would be incredible and I agree I would be utterly shocked. Something I haven't been with Manny since he beat Barrera from pillar to post.

So yeah, beating Floyd would really enhance his legacy for me.

I agree it will be if he comes back and has a tune up and looks good or as good as he has then I can't see there being any room for excuses.

[SCtrojansbaby]

When you really don't know much about the history of the sport this is the outlook you get. Pac is a great fighter, but cleaning out a division or 2 or 3, when there are only 10 divisions and 1 title is far more impressive than what Pac has done.Manny is top 35 with room to move up. Had he unified all his championships THEN we could be talking top 15 or better.

It only takes common sense to realize comparing guys who fought anywhere from 6-12x a year to guys who fights 2 maybe 3 or 4x a year is dumb. if Pacquiao fought 8x a year like Barney Ross he probable would have unified a ton of belts who cares that isn't the sport of boxing and hasn't been for 40 years.

[Pinoy4ever]

I think Manny Pacquiao is in the top 25 of best fighters in our time but of all time I don't see Manny or Floyd Jr could be in that catagory cause back in the days fighters fought almost everyday and they all fought each other not like 2day with all the politics and money.