Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[SCtrojansbaby]

Manny Pacquiao's training info:
http://img541.imageshack.us/i/mannypacquiao1.jpg/

Eggs, omelettes, rice, chicken, watermelon... all high-tech stuff.

About the only thing that old-school fighters didn't have that modern fighters do is the ability to take human growth hormone and testosterone through a needle. What are you trying to imply?

lol read a book bro

[SBleeder]

lol read a book bro

Author: Teri Tom
teritom.com: Basically a whole page devoted to the study of Bruce Lee... who died 40 years ago.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Go buy the book and let us no if its about nutrition excercise medicine etc so you can feel ******

[RubenSonny]

Yeah so and Usain Bolt just runs on a track and does some squats like Jesse Owens do they run equally as fast?

You think improvements in a sport where the goal is to get the best time through relatively conservative movements somehow relates to boxing....LOL

[SCtrojansbaby]

You think improvements in a sport where the goal is to get the best time through relatively conservative movements somehow relates to boxing....LOL

Try reading what I was responding too. He made the point that the exercises have not changed so the athletes haven't gotten better. I countered by saying basically, Bolt does the same exercises as Owens yet is obviously a far far superior athlete. The point is just because you do the same exercises doesn't mean you aren't doing them better now that you have 60+ more years of knowledge to work with

[IronDanHamza]

can you post the great wins that ranked these guys so high, i dont care much for the older guys or atg lists for that matter

but who did whitaker beat that gets him so high yet pacquiao has no chance ?

not to say i think pacquiao is that high on the atg list, i dont care about atg lists and i do think whitaker should be higher cuz he fought some other considered "atg's", but pacquiao has come a long way too, should'nt be that far behind whitaker should he?, just curious

I think Pacqiuao is considerably lower than Whitaker, personally.

Whitaker is a Top 5 ATG Lightweight champion. Lightweight is arguablly the deepest division in the history of the sport. To be considered Top 5 of that means you have to be a real great fighter.

If he only had that he would be considered pretty high. But to then go on to win titles at 140, 147 and 154 is pretty amazing.

Add wins over prime HOF'ers Chavez, De La Hoya and Nelson to that (Fights I felt he won).

I just don't see Pacqiauo as great as that.

Not that Pacqiauo isnt a great fighter, he is.

[studentofthegam]

Carlos F'ing Baldomir was a lineal champ

He did beat some good guys to get where he was. But Im sure peeps will throw dirt on Judah and Gatti to make their argument. I can say this. He did the better than most with the skill set he had. To me his skills are similar to Froch who is also an over achiever.

Author: Teri Tom
teritom.com: Basically a whole page devoted to the study of Bruce Lee... who died 40 years ago.

The key is Bruce was way ahead of his time. Dont get me wrong their are many boxers who were ahead of their time too. You have fighters like SRR, Pep, and Locche who transend their time period but then you have boxers who I feel were dominnt only for their time period like Louis, Tyson and Greb.

[SBleeder]

Yeah so and Usain Bolt just runs on a track and does some squats like Jesse Owens do they run equally as fast?

Since when did Jesse Owens lift weights?

[New England]

Break!

For the sake of argument (and in defense of the defenseless,), modern medicine keeps us from losing fighters like harry greb and tiger flowers in their primes from complications from what would today be considered relatively minor surgeries

injuries are easier to treat today than they were 100 years ago, and rehabilitation in athletes is a process that has been refined to a science

additionally, many athletes today, including boxers, take advantage of some of the "advancements" made in sporting nutrition and suppliments, medicine, and rehabilitation

a blown knee (simmilar to the one sustained by an overweight odlanier solis) would likely spell the end of a career in 1910
in 2010, he's looking at a year or so if he rehabs well before he can start training full speed again.


fighters cannot eat a ton of food because of weight
many top tier fighters take vitamins, recieve injections, etc, to suppliment nutrients in an absence of a huge dietary intake


additionally, human beings are becoming bigger and stronger.
in 200 years, there could be a ten foot heavyweight champion with a 120 inch reach and freakish athletic talent.
we havn't seen it yet, though (increases in size leading to superior HW's)

but a WW will still weigh 147 lbs on the scale, and he's always going to have trouble with sugar ray robinson, i dont care how tall or long or strong or engineered he is.

does this ensure that either era is inherently superior? absolutely not!
we have footage and resume for that

and sweet conjecture

AAAANNND go!

[Holtol]

For the sake of argument (and in defense of the defenseless,), modern medicine keeps us from losing fighters like harry greb and tiger flowers in their primes from complications from what would today be considered relatively minor surgeries

injuries are easier to treat today than they were 100 years ago, and rehabilitation in athletes is a process that has been refined to a science

Also keeps a lot of not so gifted people alive that would not even be alive in tougher survival situations and they pass on their genetics. I think that may be one of the reasons there are more injuries and concussions in sports now days.