Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[IronDanHamza]

you are looking at 4 lineal titles as if that's a "sub par thing".

we are judging fighters nowadays by old school standards. that way, no boxer now or in the future would ever come close to fighters from the past.

it isn't necessary just about pacquiao. the next generation of fighters will be restricted to the era they are in, and in that case will never be included as one of the greats no matter how much they accomplish. i don't know if it is the best way to go about this so called "list"

I'm actually not. I have said time and time again on this forum Manny Pacqiauo is a special fighter, a special breed. An amazing, amazing fighter who did something I never believed he would do and win a legit title at WW.

A handful of people think by be saying he isn't a top 25 ATG is an insult to Manny. It's not, it's a compliment. This sport has over 100 years of prestigious history, being amongst the Top 50 of that is a HUGE compliment, for anyone.

Maybe I'm being old fashioned. But I just don't see Manny Pacqiauo being a Top 25 ATG right now. His legacy, although exceptional, just doesn't match up to the likes of many many great champions. IMO.

[IronDanHamza]

If he were to beat Floyd and then Sergio would that put him close to a top 15 top 10 ranking? People are ****** if they think he's going to go up and beat Ward. He probably will never even fight Sergio. We'll see Cotto 2 before that fight.

But if he did beat Floyd & Sergio, thats 2 of the best fighters of the last 15 years. If not, what do you have to do to get a top 15-10 ranking these days?

If he were to beat Floyd Mayweather and Sergio Martinez in impressive fashion I may consider him a Top 20 ATG.

And how is Sergio Martinez one of the best fghters of the past 15 years?

[Steak]

'lineal championships' is just a stat, and it can be pretty damn misleading. Im not suggesting that its something to scoff at, but a win over the #1 guy in the division can easily be a better win than beating the lineal champ. ie Darius Michaebkajfkhd was technically the lineal champ, but a win over Roy would have obviously been much more impressive.

the fact of the matter is Pacquiao has eh about 12 or 13 wins over top competition. not bad at all, in fact its excellent considering the quality of the wins+the fact he was able to move up in weight. but a LOT of the top 25 guys all time have over 20, hell guys like Moore and Robinson have even over 30.

Going up in weight isnt actually as difficult as people suggest, with the day after weigh ins. Theres a reason that Pacquiao only had two wins at his two lowest weight classes, and was so fragile at the weight. He killed himself to make weight, which is something fighters in the same day weigh in era just couldnt afford to do.

that being said, you can make a fair argument for Pacquiao being above some guys that others put in their top 25 p4p.

[StarshipTrooper]

This sport has over 100 years of prestigious history, being amongst the Top 50 of that is a HUGE compliment, for anyone.

Hell, being top-100 is a hell of a compliment.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

'lineal championships' is just a stat, and it can be pretty damn misleading. Im not suggesting that its something to scoff at, but a win over the #1 guy in the division can easily be a better win than beating the lineal champ. ie Darius Michaebkajfkhd was technically the lineal champ, but a win over Roy would have obviously been much more impressive.

the fact of the matter is Pacquiao has eh about 12 or 13 wins over top competition. not bad at all, in fact its excellent considering the quality of the wins+the fact he was able to move up in weight. but a LOT of the top 25 guys all time have over 20, hell guys like Moore and Robinson have even over 30.

Going up in weight isnt actually as difficult as people suggest, with the day after weigh ins. Theres a reason that Pacquiao only had two wins at his two lowest weight classes, and was so fragile at the weight. He killed himself to make weight, which is something fighters in the same day weigh in era just couldnt afford to do.

that being said, you can make a fair argument for Pacquiao being above some guys that others put in their top 25 p4p.

Case in point: Shannon Briggs was the "lineal" Heavyweight Champion when Lennox fought him.

Pacquiao was pretty much a teenager at his lowest weight class if I remember rightly.

Poet

[jrosales13]

Case in point: Shannon Briggs was the "lineal" Heavyweight Champion when Lennox fought him.

Pacquiao was pretty much a teenager at his lowest weight class if I remember rightly.

Poet

Carlos F'ing Baldomir was a lineal champ

[New England]

Carlos F'ing Baldomir was a lineal champ

beat me to it.


cory spinks was the undisputed WW champion as well

and he was a hop and skip away from winning the lineal title at MW as well against jermain taylor.

only in america

[Scott9945]

He's not a Top 25 ATG. Absolutley not.

And there is nothing he can do to change that?

[bojangles1987]

I'd say he is definitely top 40. Even if you don't think he has the resume for that, his skills and raw talent would have me putting him over fighters who have better resumes but not far better.

[IronDanHamza]

'lineal championships' is just a stat, and it can be pretty damn misleading. Im not suggesting that its something to scoff at, but a win over the #1 guy in the division can easily be a better win than beating the lineal champ. ie Darius Michaebkajfkhd was technically the lineal champ, but a win over Roy would have obviously been much more impressive.

the fact of the matter is Pacquiao has eh about 12 or 13 wins over top competition. not bad at all, in fact its excellent considering the quality of the wins+the fact he was able to move up in weight. but a LOT of the top 25 guys all time have over 20, hell guys like Moore and Robinson have even over 30.

Going up in weight isnt actually as difficult as people suggest, with the day after weigh ins. Theres a reason that Pacquiao only had two wins at his two lowest weight classes, and was so fragile at the weight. He killed himself to make weight, which is something fighters in the same day weigh in era just couldnt afford to do.

that being said, you can make a fair argument for Pacquiao being above some guys that others put in their top 25 p4p.

Isn't that also misleading, though?

Floyd Mayweather has over 10 wins over top 5 fighters in the weight class he fought them in at the time he fought them. Across 5 weight classes.

Yet is he a top 25 ATG? Not even remotely close.

Would you consider Mayweather to be ranked higher than Jofre by the same logic you rank Pacqiuao over Jofre?

I'm just saying. "Top ranked comp" can also be misleading.