Roy Jones on his place in history

[THE REED]

Jones was an awesome fighter afterall. Look, I think pretty much everyone in this thread agrees (except for the racist turd earlier) Jones was a legitimate top-tier great ie. one of the VERY best fighters in the history of the sport something only a select few can claim. The only real question here is where does he rank AMONG those select few. The only thing most of us would really dispute was that Jones was the GOAT p4p or in any given weight class. If you prefix "GOAT" with "one of the" then I think we pretty much all agree.

Poet

Yeah I agree.... I think at SMW he beats anyone... but doesn't have the best resume to be the goat at SMW.

[StarshipTrooper]

Yeah I agree.... I think at SMW he beats anyone... but doesn't have the best resume to be the goat at SMW.

Then again, being "old-school 8" I don't recognize SMW as being legit so they all get counted as Light-Heavies :geek9:

Poet

[THE REED]

Then again, being "old-school 8" I don't recognize SMW as being legit so they all get counted as Light-Heavies :geek9:

Poet

Fair enough.........

[StarshipTrooper]

Fair enough.........

Interestingly enough I'd favor Jones over Bob Foster; though if Foster lands a bomb.....Michael Spinks is one I have a sneaking su****ion would beat Jones though I can't really put my finger on why. Probably a case where since the talent level is pretty damn close (yes Spinks WAS that talented.....at Light-Heavy) Spinks just matches up well with Roy.

Poet

[THE REED]

I do notice most of the people favored over Roy, more or less just have the punchers chance..

It all seemingly comes down to having to knock Roy out...

Are any of these ATG LHW's out boxing Roy over 12 rounds?

[StarshipTrooper]

I do notice most of the people favored over Roy, more or less just have the punchers chance..

It all seemingly comes down to having to knock Roy out...

Are any of these ATG LHW's out boxing Roy over 12 rounds?

I would favor Charles to do so.....maybe Gene Tunney though I think that's a 50/50 fight. Archie Moore I would favor by KO not points. Billy Conn could match Jones for speed but I don't see Conn being able to hurt Roy so I would favor Jones to beat him. The same with Maxie Rosenbloom. Tommy Gibbons maybe? There again, that's another matchup where I favor Jones. So Charles, who I think WOULD outpoint Roy; and Tunney who I think COULD outpoint Roy. That's about it.

Poet

[THE REED]

I would favor Charles to do so.....maybe Gene Tunney though I think that's a 50/50 fight. Archie Moore I would favor by KO not points. Billy Conn could match Jones for speed but I don't see Conn being able to hurt Roy so I would favor Jones to beat him. The same with Maxie Rosenbloom. Tommy Gibbons maybe? There again, that's another matchup where I favor Jones. So Charles, who I think WOULD outpoint Roy; and Tunney who I think COULD outpoint Roy. That's about it.

Poet

On Billy Conn... definitely fast hands... but Roy didnt just have the hands, the footspeed and lateral movement were also on another level... you think Conn could match speed on all levels?

[StarshipTrooper]

On Billy Conn... definitely fast hands... but Roy didnt just have the hands, the footspeed and lateral movement were also on another level... you think Conn could match speed on all levels?

I think he did. People claim Joe Louis was slow-footed but truth is he was a master at cutting off the ring (better than a prime Foreman even) and Conn gave him fits with his footspeed. Conn was really a puffed up Middleweight who brought his speed up with him.

Here again though, I don't think Conn even with his fast hands could tag Jones cleanly enough times to hurt him and that's really what that matchup boils down to: Jones had enough power to hurt Conn with one shot and didn't need to string punches together to do it. Conn was no puncher and had to put his punches together to hurt an opponent. In a matchup between two incredibly fast fighters who are extremely hard to hit clean shots landed are hard to come by so I have to favor the guy who can do the most with the least and that's Jones.

Poet

[THE REED]

I think he did. People claim Joe Louis was slow-footed but truth is he was a master at cutting off the ring (better than a prime Foreman even) and Conn gave him fits with his footspeed. Conn was really a puffed up Middleweight who brought his speed up with him.

Here again though, I don't think Conn even with his fast hands could tag Jones cleanly enough times to hurt him and that's really what that matchup boils down to: Jones had enough power to hurt Conn with one shot and didn't need to string punches together to do it. Conn was no puncher and had to put his punches together to hurt an opponent. In a matchup between two incredibly fast fighters who are extremely hard to hit clean shots landed are hard to come by so I have to favor the guy who can do the most with the least and that's Jones.

Poet

Damn, good post and informative... thanks.

By the way where's Jab?

[mikeyh1015]

Damn... Who could beat ROY? lol, No slow ass, no Technique havn, slow handed old school fighter could have, I know that.