Kostya Tszyu vs Oscar De La Hoya @140

[CarlosG815]

Yeah I'm not sure you can encapsulate Tszyu's career by looking at the faded, inactive version that was mugged all night by Hatton. Perhaps you should watch some of his fights from, I don't know, his prime, perhaps.

I wouldn't expect you to see the point of what I was saying. My point was that the likes of Ricky Hatton was king at 140 for a time, implying that the title of "beast at 140" or "best at 140" isn't saying much.

Jackass as usual, Jeffries.

[Jim Jeffries]

I wouldn't expect you to see the point of what I was saying. My point was that the likes of Ricky Hatton was king at 140 for a time, implying that the title of "beast at 140" or "best at 140" isn't saying much.

Jackass as usual, Jeffries.

If you ignore the fact that Tszyu was king of 140 for a decade before Hatton, then perhaps. Try to keep the ad hominems to a minimum, okay kiddo?

Even during Hatton's reign, there were guys like Mayweather and Cotto. Maybe you've heard of them?

[CarlosG815]

If you ignore the fact that Tszyu was king of 140 for a decade before Hatton, then perhaps. Try to keep the ad hominems to a minimum, okay kiddo?

Even during Hatton's reign, there were guys like Mayweather and Cotto. Maybe you've heard of them?

Still don't get it? Ok. Being the "man" at 140 isn't saying a lot when there is nobody in the division, ie Ricky Hatton being the "man" and getting stomped when he fought a great fighter in Mayweather. Tszyu would be no exception and stepping into the class of DLH would get beat up just the same as Hatton when he stepped up in competition.

[RubenSonny]

If you ignore the fact that Tszyu was king of 140 for a decade before Hatton, then perhaps. Try to keep the ad hominems to a minimum, okay kiddo?

Even during Hatton's reign, there were guys like Mayweather and Cotto. Maybe you've heard of them?

Thats not really true though.

[Jim Jeffries]

Still don't get it? Ok. Being the "man" at 140 isn't saying a lot when there is nobody in the division, ie Ricky Hatton being the "man" and getting stomped when he fought a great fighter in Mayweather. Tszyu would be no exception and stepping into the class of DLH would get beat up just the same as Hatton when he stepped up in competition.

Again ignoring that the Floyd fight was at a weight that Hatton had already proved himself less effective in the Collazo fight (which I had Ricky losing by a point.) Hatton was really only "the man" at 140 from beating Tszyu's shell (with help from the ref.) And because Cotto and Mayweather didn't fight him there.

Anyhow, Oscar could've fought Tszyu back in 96 early 97, while he was passing through, but chose not to. I think if it was as ridiculously easy a fight as you portend, he would have.

Thats not really true though.

I'll bite. Who was a better 140 lber from 1995 to 2005? (besides Floyd who chose to fight Gatti instead)

[RubenSonny]

Again ignoring that the Floyd fight was at a weight that Hatton had already proved himself less effective in the Collazo fight (which I had Ricky losing by a point.) Hatton was really only "the man" at 140 from beating Tszyu's shell (with help from the ref.) And because Cotto and Mayweather didn't fight him there.

Anyhow, Oscar could've fought Tszyu back in 96 early 97, while he was passing through, but chose not to. I think if it was as ridiculously easy a fight as you portend, he would have.



I'll bite. Who was a better 140 lber from 1995 to 2005? (besides Floyd who chose to fight Gatti instead)

Well I think calling him the "king" for 10 years is a pretty simplistic way of putting it, he wasn't consistently on top for 10 years, he lost to Phillips in '97(making him ranked #1 for that year) without avenging the loss, he wasn't champion until smashing Zab in 2 (though he did fight some good competition in between), then there's the inactivity where he fought once a year against so-so competition.

[Jim Jeffries]

Well I think calling him the "king" for 10 years is a pretty simplistic way of putting it, he wasn't consistently on top for 10 years, he lost to Phillips in '97(making him ranked #1 for that year) without avenging the loss, he wasn't champion until smashing Zab in 2 (though he did fight some good competition in between), then there's the inactivity where he fought once a year against so-so competition.

Fair enough. He was definitely inactive toward the end of his career, but since by that point he was considered #2 p4p, and he never left 140, I'd say he was certainly the man to beat.

Phillips losing 6 times during the rest of Tszyu's career certainly didn't help his chances of getting a rematch.

[RubenSonny]

Fair enough. He was definitely inactive toward the end of his career, but since by that point he was considered #2 p4p, and he never left 140, I'd say he was certainly the man to beat.

Yeah of course he was the true champ, its just that it wasn't 10 solid years of dominance.

Phillips losing 6 times during the rest of Tszyu's career certainly didn't help his chances of getting a rematch.

Phillips was very hit and miss, which was annoying I'd like to have seen a rematch.

Now going even further off topic, I loved Ikes performance/KO here.

[Steak]

Fair enough. He was definitely inactive toward the end of his career, but since by that point he was considered #2 p4p, and he never left 140, I'd say he was certainly the man to beat.

Phillips losing 6 times during the rest of Tszyu's career certainly didn't help his chances of getting a rematch.

Kostya should have rematched him anyway. its a pretty glaring loss on his record. Its like Khan and Prescott...sure, Prescott doesnt deserve a title shot, but if I were Khan/Kostya I would have definitely wanted to avenge my only loss, even if it was a non-title side fight.

[-Huey-]

This was Oscar's best time...he was a freakin beast at 140 powerful, lightning fast combinations and incredible energy. DLH batters Tzyu to a mid rounds TKO. Great fight this would have been.