Kostya Tszyu vs Oscar De La Hoya @140

[Holtol]

I can see why you thought that too be fair,quite a few people in here rate Tsyzu very highly,me included

Some of the things posted about Oscar in another thread bothered me a little also. I think Kostya is good, I am actually a fan of his. but I don't think he could handle Oscar.

[The_Demon]

Some of the things posted about Oscar in another thread bothered me a little also. I think Kostya is good, I am actually a fan of his. but I don't think he could handle Oscar.

Na i dont think he would beat Oscar either,but believe he would be more competitive than some people think

[DarkTerror88]

This is a very competitive fight that goes the distance. I can see either man winning. in a trilogy it be split with it being highly debatable. After the Judah fight i dont count Tszyu out anymore. I heavily favored Zab to beat him.

ehhhh. my gut tells me Tszyu, so im going with him.

[BennyST]

Personally I dont think you could have considered Hopkins the undeniable #1 in the division until he beat Keith Holmes.

I agree actually. I've seen some of these guys argue that Hopkins was king for a decade though. Usual double standard stuff.

If we only ever went on who the Undisputed champ is though, there wouldn't be a single fighter today who is considered the man properly.

Tzsyu was one of only two or three fighters in all of boxing over the last decade before his retirement to be the Undisputed champion. That's saying something.

[BennyST]

I don't know how you came to that conclusion....he was number 1 or champion from 95-05 if I'm not mistaken.

I just thought calling him "king" for a decade was a rather simplistic way of putting it, did you even read my post?

As was Tzsyu. However, in these cases we look at who the best fighter was subjectively and go with it from there. Tzsyu was champion at 140 through basically the same time frame. He wasn't the Undisputed champ though just as Hopkins wasn't. In fact, Hopkins was only Undisputed champ for one year, however we call him the king of 160 for a decade do we not between those times you mentioned?

If you go by what you say regarding Tzsyu though, then Hopkins was only the true number one middleweight for a year too. It is rather simplistic but you just called Hopkins number one for a decade too did you not? Is that also simplistic? Because we could also say he wasn't.

Apart from the short period in which he lost to Phillips, the rest of the time he was the man to beat at 140 and was ranked in the top P4P lists throughout that whole time.

It wasn't official until he beat Judah, just as Hopkins' wasn't official until he beat Holmes though. Just as you said regarding Hopkins though, Tzsyu was the best fighter there, the most consistent fighter there and the only fighter to have beaten all the other champions and number one and two contenders the whole time he was champion. To most people, that equates to being the king of a division.

Most people would call Pac king of 147 now, and he hasn't gotten close to doing what Hopkins or Tzsyu did in regards to cleaning out the division.

Anyway, this is besides the point really. I think it would be a close fight. Tzsyu had trouble with things other than what Oscar would bring and I think it would be a hard close fight for both. However, Tzsyu excelled in the type of fight that Oscar would bring to him. A slow, technical game with a lot of time to reset, think and act.

[RubenSonny]

As was Tzsyu. However, in these cases we look at who the best fighter was subjectively and go with it from there. Tzsyu was champion at 140 through basically the same time frame. He wasn't the Undisputed champ though just as Hopkins wasn't. In fact, Hopkins was only Undisputed champ for one year, however we call him the king of 160 for a decade do we not between those times you mentioned?

I was never said anything undisputed I was refferring to lineal.

If you go by what you say regarding Tzsyu though, then Hopkins was only the true number one middleweight for a year too. It is rather simplistic but you just called Hopkins number one for a decade too did you not? Is that also simplistic? Because we could also say he wasn't.

Number one contender is what I meant, and he was for a long time.

Apart from the short period in which he lost to Phillips, the rest of the time he was the man to beat at 140 and was ranked in the top P4P lists throughout that whole time.

Which is very key.

It wasn't official until he beat Judah, just as Hopkins' wasn't official until he beat Holmes though. Just as you said regarding Hopkins though, Tzsyu was the best fighter there, the most consistent fighter there and the only fighter to have beaten all the other champions and number one and two contenders the whole time he was champion. To most people, that equates to being the king of a division.

You yourself said you didn't think Hopkins was the king of the division for 10 years, I don't think he was either, I'm not sure what were disagreeing about now.

Most people would call Pac king of 147 now, and he hasn't gotten close to doing what Hopkins or Tzsyu did in regards to cleaning out the division.

I certainly don't regard him as the king of the division.

Anyway, this is besides the point really. I think it would be a close fight. Tzsyu had trouble with things other than what Oscar would bring and I think it would be a hard close fight for both. However, Tzsyu excelled in the type of fight that Oscar would bring to him. A slow, technical game with a lot of time to reset, think and act.

I agree Tzsyu would have plenty of time to 'sharpshoot', I can imagine him landing some eye catching solid punches in a chessmatch, I'm not decided on who would win though.

[RubenSonny]

I agree actually. I've seen some of these guys argue that Hopkins was king for a decade though. Usual double standard stuff.

If we only ever went on who the Undisputed champ is though, there wouldn't be a single fighter today who is considered the man properly.

Tzsyu was one of only two or three fighters in all of boxing over the last decade before his retirement to be the Undisputed champion. That's saying something.

I disputed the claim of him having the record middleweight defenses before this post...no double standard from me, and for the record I think Tzsyu was a good fighter and best at 140 in that time period.

Edit: infact reflecting upon it, it wouldn't really be a double standard anyway, Hopkins remained number 1 contender/champion going unbeaten the whole time, Tzsyu lost, had a pretty nice run up to Judah and became very inactive, thats why I thought it was simplistic to call him the king of the division for 10 years.

[RFPROBOX]

I disputed the claim of him having the record middleweight defenses before this post...no double standard from me, and for the record I think Tzsyu was a good fighter and best at 140 in that time period.

Edit: infact reflecting upon it, it wouldn't really be a double standard anyway, Hopkins remained number 1 contender/champion going unbeaten the whole time, Tzsyu lost, had a pretty nice run up to Judah and became very inactive, thats why I thought it was simplistic to call him the king of the division for 10 years.

The difference being Tyrone, is that Tszyu fought in a much more honorable way than Hopkins. Ol Bernard liked to fake injuries, fought dirty, and fought like a coward more than once.

[joseph5620]

The difference being Tyrone, is that Tszyu fought in a much more honorable way than Hopkins. Ol Bernard liked to fake injuries, fought dirty, and fought like a coward more than once.

You sure have a big mouth for somebody who "boxed" their way to a 6-10-1 professional record.

[StarshipTrooper]

Ol Bernard liked to fake injuries

Like Vitali

fought dirty

Like Quarry

and fought like a coward more than once

Like Wlad does all the time.

Poet