Kostya Tszyu vs Oscar De La Hoya @140

[Steak]

So, you're saying that Hopkins was only the number one middleweight in the world for one measly year?!?!?!

That is pretty sad. I'd always heard he was the number one guy for nearly a decade.....obviously everyone is wrong.

Personally I dont think you could have considered Hopkins the undeniable #1 in the division until he beat Keith Holmes.

[IMDAZED]

Tszyu spent his entire career at 140. It seems that people are forgetting that DLH only had three fights at that weight. And the wins weren't all that incredibly impressive. So much like with Mayweather, calling Oscar great at that weight calls for plenty of speculation. Everyone should compare the fights both had with Miguel Angel Gonzalez before dismissing Tszyu's chances.

However I do admit that this would be a very close and competitive matchup that I can see either fighter winning.

Agreed. Plus, Gonzalez was able to touch Oscar up in the latter rounds of their fight. I think Oscar would have tons of trouble with Tszyu at 140.

[Holtol]

Anyone watching boxing during that time like I was, has something wrong with them if they favor Kostya in this fight. People mentioning that Kostya out performed Oscar against the same opponents!?!? Give me a break! Chavez was on his last legs when Kostya fought him! He was washed up when Oscar fought him and everyone knew it.

I am supriesed and disapointed at how many people are against Oscar . People complaining how he ran the last few rounds against Trinadad and deserved to lose? Oscar won that fight, and most people would have done the same thing as Oscar if they were up in the fight the way he was. You don't engage a fighter like Trindad when you are winning a fight. Thats crazy.

[TheMexHurricane]

Everyone should compare the fights both had with Miguel Angel Gonzalez before dismissing Tszyu's chances.

Chavez drew with Gonzalez after Oscar easily annihalated Chavez. With your theory Chavez should've done as well as Gonzalez?

[Steak]

Chavez drew with Gonzalez after Oscar easily annihalated Chavez. With your theory Chavez should've done as well as Gonzalez?

Chavez went into the DLH fight with a pre existing injury that made him bleed all over the place, he never had a chance in that fight.

and when they rematched later at Welterweight 2+ years later Chavez actually didnt do half bad all things considered. made it an exciting fight at least.


also Chavez didnt do THAT bad against DLH in the first fight...he landed some decent left hooks, more flush than anything Gonzalez was able to land. The cut just erases any memory of that.

[slicksouthpaw16]

The number of fights at that weight mean something if people start calling him a beast or whatever. His three fights there consist of a cuts win over a damaged Chavez, a ho hum decision over Gonzalez, and a KO over a journeyman. So what about that is supposed to be so damn impressive?

It's obvious that the two of us strongly disagree about Oscar's prowess. He was clearly a skilled fighter with fast hands and an exceptional left hook. But his power after 135 was considerably less than "phenomonal". Aside from the Vargas KO its just not there. Who over 140 did he ever KO who was a hall of famer like KT? And he didn't show very much heart against Trinidad when he ran like a dog.

I'm upfront about DLH being one of my least favorite fighters, ever. And your sig indicates that you feel the opposite, so we're not likely to ever find common ground concerning him.

Tszyu seemed like he was hard to out box from distance because he did have great timing (as someone mentioned), i think this fight would be more interesting than some people may think, especially since his only two losses are against aggressive fighters that physically wore him down. I remember he was even out boxing Judah in the second round before the KO.

[RubenSonny]

So, you're saying that Hopkins was only the number one middleweight in the world for one measly year?!?!?!

That is pretty sad. I'd always heard he was the number one guy for nearly a decade.....obviously everyone is wrong.

I don't know how you came to that conclusion....he was number 1 or champion from 95-05 if I'm not mistaken.

I just thought calling him "king" for a decade was a rather simplistic way of putting it, did you even read my post?

[The_Demon]

Anyone watching boxing during that time like I was, has something wrong with them if they favor Kostya in this fight. People mentioning that Kostya out performed Oscar against the same opponents!?!? Give me a break! Chavez was on his last legs when Kostya fought him! He was washed up when Oscar fought him and everyone knew it.

I am supriesed and disapointed at how many people are against Oscar . People complaining how he ran the last few rounds against Trinadad and deserved to lose? Oscar won that fight, and most people would have done the same thing as Oscar if they were up in the fight the way he was. You don't engage a fighter like Trindad when you are winning a fight. Thats crazy.

Has anybody said they favour Kostya in this one? I dont think they have

He would be competitive against Oscar,who didnt blow anybody away at the weight that was half as good as KT

[Holtol]

Has anybody said they favour Kostya in this one? I dont think they have

He would be competitive against Oscar,who didnt blow anybody away at the weight that was half as good as KT

I was under the impression that some people favoured Kostya in the fight. But looking over the thread again quickly I can see you are right, no one favored Kostya. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

[The_Demon]

I was under the impression that some people favoured Kostya in the fight. But looking over the thread again quickly I can see you are right, no one favored Kostya. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

I can see why you thought that too be fair,quite a few people in here rate Tsyzu very highly,me included