Kostya Tszyu vs Oscar De La Hoya @140

[Steak]

I dont think Oscar catches him with a left hook at all. I cant remember Tyszu getting hit with too many left hooks his entire career, he always kept his right hand up to his chin, almost exactly where DLHs left hook would land.(unless it strayed up to the top of his head).

Kostya had problems with pressure fighters, and DLH was never amazing at that since his right hand was a bit underdeveloped/utilized at 140lbs. Kostya had really excellent timing, I think he could pretty quickly adapt to DLHs handspeed and start timing his right hand onto his head pretty often.

Comparing the two's performances against Gonzalez at 140lbs, they were in the same class. I see this as a close fight, where Oscar would win in spurts while Kostya controls the action inbetween those offensive assaults.

[Jim Jeffries]

Good point, Phillips was able to get him with the right hand and Oscar's is fairly ineffective. That and given Oscar's tendency to fade in the later rounds, makes Kostya more live than those claiming he's not in DLH's class.

[The_Demon]

I dont think Oscar catches him with a left hook at all. I cant remember Tyszu getting hit with too many left hooks his entire career, he always kept his right hand up to his chin, almost exactly where DLHs left hook would land.(unless it strayed up to the top of his head).

Kostya had problems with pressure fighters, and DLH was never amazing at that since his right hand was a bit underdeveloped/utilized at 140lbs. Kostya had really excellent timing, I think he could pretty quickly adapt to DLHs handspeed and start timing his right hand onto his head pretty often.

Comparing the two's performances against Gonzalez at 140lbs, they were in the same class. I see this as a close fight, where Oscar would win in spurts while Kostya controls the action inbetween those offensive assaults.

Good post,for people too claim their is a huge gulf between them in class is absolutely ridiculous

[CarlosG815]

Good post,for people too claim their is a huge gulf between them in class is absolutely ridiculous

I would say their is a huge gulf and the way Oscar was able to move up in weight and dominate the way that he did is proof of this. Kostya was the king of 140, until he was beaten by Ricky Hatton, who was then known as a beast at 140 as Kostya was. Watch the style of Kostya Tszyu and tell me there is not a huge gulf in class between the two fighters. Oscar was just on another level, IMO and it shows in his massive success. Kostya was a great fighter at 140, but I am with Yonda in that he falls short of greatness, whereas DLH does not.

[BigStereotype]

I would say their is a huge gulf and the way Oscar was able to move up in weight and dominate the way that he did is proof of this. Kostya was the king of 140, until he was beaten by Ricky Hatton, who was then known as a beast at 140 as Kostya was. Watch the style of Kostya Tszyu and tell me there is not a huge gulf in class between the two fighters. Oscar was just on another level, IMO and it shows in his massive success. Kostya was a great fighter at 140, but I am with Yonda in that he falls short of greatness, whereas DLH does not.

Exactly when did Oscar "dominate" above 140?

[The_Demon]

Exactly when did Oscar "dominate" above 140?

By dominate he must mean losing the majority of his big fights

[Steak]

I would say their is a huge gulf and the way Oscar was able to move up in weight and dominate the way that he did is proof of this. Kostya was the king of 140, until he was beaten by Ricky Hatton, who was then known as a beast at 140 as Kostya was. Watch the style of Kostya Tszyu and tell me there is not a huge gulf in class between the two fighters. Oscar was just on another level, IMO and it shows in his massive success. Kostya was a great fighter at 140, but I am with Yonda in that he falls short of greatness, whereas DLH does not.

without a question DLH is the greater fighter, he accomplished way more than Kostya did.

that doesnt matter in a fantasy matchup between them at 140lbs, where Kostya accomplished more than Oscar did.

watch DLH vs Gonzalez and the Kostya vs Gonzalez, and tell me there is a huge gulf in class between them at 140lbs

[CarlosG815]

Exactly when did Oscar "dominate" above 140?

Is this a joke?

[CarlosG815]

By dominate he must mean losing the majority of his big fights

A bogus decision to Felix Trinidad and a loss to Shane Mosley? How is that the majority? He beat Trinidad and the entire world knows it. How did you score the fight?

The only fight Oscar lost at 147 was to Shane Mosley and he made it up later at 154, despite the bogus decision.

Can you or Stereotype tell me who the most dominant welterweight was from 1997 to 2001?

[Jim Jeffries]

I would say their is a huge gulf and the way Oscar was able to move up in weight and dominate the way that he did is proof of this. Kostya was the king of 140, until he was beaten by Ricky Hatton, who was then known as a beast at 140 as Kostya was. Watch the style of Kostya Tszyu and tell me there is not a huge gulf in class between the two fighters. Oscar was just on another level, IMO and it shows in his massive success. Kostya was a great fighter at 140, but I am with Yonda in that he falls short of greatness, whereas DLH does not.

Yeah I'm not sure you can encapsulate Tszyu's career by looking at the faded, inactive version that was mugged all night by Hatton. Perhaps you should watch some of his fights from, I don't know, his prime, perhaps.