Kostya Tszyu vs Oscar De La Hoya @140

[StarshipTrooper]

a 6-10-1 professional record.

Can we say "tomato can" :hahahaha9:

[RubenSonny]

The difference being Tyrone, is that Tszyu fought in a much more honorable way than Hopkins. Ol Bernard liked to fake injuries, fought dirty, and fought like a coward more than once.

Change!

You sure have a big mouth for somebody who "boxed" their way to a 6-10-1 professional record.

who the **** is this guy?

[TouchyAndalou]

I would say their is a huge gulf and the way Oscar was able to move up in weight and dominate the way that he did is proof of this. Kostya was the king of 140, until he was beaten by Ricky Hatton, who was then known as a beast at 140 as Kostya was. Watch the style of Kostya Tszyu and tell me there is not a huge gulf in class between the two fighters. Oscar was just on another level, IMO and it shows in his massive success. Kostya was a great fighter at 140, but I am with Yonda in that he falls short of greatness, whereas DLH does not.

This doesn't make a lot of sense. Oscar was purposely started and kept at lower weights for much of his early career, to enable him to dominate naturally smaller men in exciting style. So it wasn't simply case of Oscar being able to rise through the weights because he was such a phenomenal talent; his height, reach and frame were always suited to weights of 140 and 147. Tszyu on the other hand was a natural 140-pounder, short and stocky, and spent the entirety of his career there, which I don't think is indicative of a gulf in class between the two men, but rather attributable to the physical differences between them.

Having said that, I do think it's a bit of shame that Tszyu never campaigned 7 pounds north, as 147 was where most of the intriguing match-ups were for him. Regarding this fight though, I think it's certainly competitive at 140 pounds. I'd probably give a bit of an edge to De La Hoya, who might shoe shine his way to a tight decision.

[Wild Blue Yonda]

This doesn't make a lot of sense. Oscar was purposely started and kept at lower weights for much of his early career, to enable him to dominate naturally smaller men in exciting style. So it wasn't simply case of Oscar being able to rise through the weights because he was such a phenomenal talent; his height, reach and frame were always suited to weights of 140 and 147. Tszyu on the other hand was a natural 140-pounder, short and stocky, and spent the entirety of his career there, which I don't think is indicative of a gulf in class between the two men, but rather attributable to the physical differences between them.

Having said that, I do think it's a bit of shame that Tszyu never campaigned 7 pounds north, as 147 was where most of the intriguing match-ups were for him. Regarding this fight though, I think it's certainly competitive at 140 pounds. I'd probably give a bit of an edge to De La Hoya, who might shoe shine his way to a tight decision.

Shoe-shine? Make no mistake, De La Hoya at 135-140lbs. had massive, massive hitting power, & he was not fearful of utilising it.

[McGoorty]

TSZYU The Superior Jr. Welter

I was under the impression that some people favoured Kostya in the fight. But looking over the thread again quickly I can see you are right, no one favored Kostya. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

I do favor TSZYU in this one Oscar was a little too scrawny at 140 for my liking and he was a mere passerby at the weight. Oscar's main advantage here is his reach, I think Tszyu's speed is massively underated, I think they are about even, TSZYU was the better man at amateur level (unbeatable), in the punch power category I've read a lot here about Oscar's power but Tszyu was probably the greatest power merchant of EVERY Jr. Welter since the days of Kid Berg and at 140 way superior to Oscars, Tszyu lost only 2 fights and I've lost count of Oscars losses ( I laughed hard when a Ex-Flyweight champ made Oscar look Very oxerrated When the Great One won every second of every round, just try to imagine Carmen Basilio getting battered by Eder Jofre, Yeah totally inconcievable eh, yeah Oscar dissapointed me that day, I still can't get my head around it . ),. . Oscar may try for a points win and could win by that route, but try to stand and trade with Kostya would be suicide as Kostya would land that big one and good night golden boy, I can only pick Kostya over the short route. Kostya is the best at 140 since Pryor. By the way the bout should be over the full Championship 15. Now if Kostya tried to fight Oscar at Jr. Middleweight, Oscar would be certain winner there and 9 to one betting favorite but we're TALKIN 140. Now guys don't get outta total control.

[Wild Blue Yonda]

Pacquiao wouldve beaten Tszyu if hed fought him at the end of his career & made him come down to LW - equivalent circumstances & Id bet on Pacquiao to crunch Tszyu.

Hell, I think I would favour Pacquiao to beat a prime Tszyu at 140, which I wouldnt if Pacquiao fought De La Hoya at WW around the time he was touching gloves with Trinidad & Mosley.

Youre also well off-base to say Tszyu has far more power at 140 than De La Hoya. Hes just a flat inferior fighter to De La Hoya, giving up too many advantages to win.

[IMDAZED]

I like Oscar big in this one! De la Hoya was lethal at 140, Rapid quick, powerful, big and lively i could see him stopping Tszyu in around 7.

I don't recall Oscar being that lethal at 140 but maybe I'm forgetting something. He did look good against Gonzalez but I wasn't blown away or anything. I think Tszyu is a tough fight for him but he's got a little much of everything to lose to Kostya. De La Hoya UD12

[New England]

i got a name for the card


thunderpunchers!


haha!

i think de la hoya wins on the jab
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maybe 8-4 in a solid but not great / super high contact fight

[jrosales13]

Stop saying Oscar was a beast at 140 because he wasn't. His power wasn't amazing at that weight either. He only had 3 fights against Darryl Tyson, JCC, and MAGO.

Tyson was blah. JCC already had a cut that was open in training camp and got re-open the fight. Also, JCC was an old fighter already. He beat MAGO was a top rated fighter at the time by decision. But, also got marked up in that fight. There was nothing "lethal" by this performances.

I think you guys are confusing the 140 Oscar with the 135 Oscar. Where he actually was at his best. Had size, power, speed, strength, length over his opponents. At 135 is where he showed lethal power and looked like a beast. Dominated Rafael Rules, Jesse James Leija, and Jorge Paez. Stopped Genaro "Chicanito" Hernandez(RIP), and won a decision over John John Molina(it was an eh..fight) all rated guys at the time and most were at their prime, peak.

Anyways saying all that. I think Oscar size, length, height, speed and bull**** flurries would be enough to get a decision against Kostya. I will say this if anybody got dropped or hurt in this fight it would have been Oscar. Since I believe that Kostya would have had a better chance landing his right hand more so than Oscar landing his left hook. If Oscar had a good right hand he probably could have stopped Kostya. But, he didn't so yea....

[hebi]

De La Hoya had some nice advantages in height and speed, the style matchup though is a bit odd.

Tszyu's major weaknesses were to pressure fighters and good right hands, while DLH had one of the worst right hands of all time. Tszyu did a good job neutralizing hooks as well as jabs, and also fought well against taller fighters. I could see both guys scoring KDs in the fight, and I think Tszyu would give Oscar a lot of problems at that weight. I think I'd have to favor DLH, but it would have been one of the toughest fights he ever fought. DLH had a lot of physical advantages, Tszyu would have been physically stronger and a lot smarter though.