Did Buster Douglas Really Beat Mike Tyson??

[billeau2]

Sigh.

Vincent Fuller was one of the best criminal defense attorneys in the country. He got John Hinckley a NGRI verdict, scored a not guilty verdict for Jimmy Hoffa, and got Don King off on tax evasion (which is a criminal offense; Tysontards saw the word "tax" and started the myth that he was a tax attorney.). Fuller was one of the most feared criminal lawyers of all time.

His defense of Tyson was praised by prosecutors as nothing short of brilliant.

True.

What ****ed Tyson was the same thing that is messing Amanda Knox up. He didn't need a good lawyer he needed a PR person, a lobbying firm in DC. No
attorney can overcome that inertia. First off Tyson the viscious predatory beast....and this girl? from a young African American Urban girl, whom one would assume was aware of going up to a hotel room became a madonna: a beauty queen innocent and ******al.... when you bifurcate a woman with respect to the archetype Madonna/Whore look out! the fallout! Tyson got screwed, this ****ing ***** knew exactly what she was getting into.

The lawyer was excellent, it was not like the OJ trial where the prosecution was a bunch of dunces

[billeau2]

King was afraid to put mike in with evander in 89, 90, 91,,,

No i dont think he rigged the **** trial,,, why would you think i would think that,,,,

It was well known that evander had gotten the best of mike in sparring at the olympic trials, and even punked him out over a game of pool,, read some of their books and that story comes up alot,,,

King knew that, and knew evander would not be intimitaded by mike,,, he might get rocked early but holyfield would not stop and would break mike,,

88 they didnt want none, because holy was just becoming a heavy and to fight a cruiser champ didnt make sense

89 they didnt want none and evander proved himself at heavy vs dokes, etc

90 the fight i believe was a mandatory by that time, yet mike lost to douglas, and then evander beat buster..

91 instead of challenging holyfield and trying to reclaim his belt, tyson and king fought tillman, stewart, ruddock twice,,, why would they just fight evander, it was much bigger money and a chance to regain the belts but they past on it 3 times and took 3 other fights, yet holyfield took non mandatory fights like cooper and foreman,,
then in november it was suppose to happen but tyson pulled out,, similar to haye and fury,,, tyson's team didnt want none,,,, biggest heavyweight fight and had over 3 years to make it,, yet never happened,,, but then conviently tried to fight holyfield after he retired and cameback and got stopped by bowe and then looked like crap vs bobby cyzz,,, then tyson was able to fight him, even though there was alot more deserving candidates at the time than old ass evander

Tyson only fought big names if they were coming out of retirement, holmes, spinks, holyfield

You view this situation with rose colored glasses for the bastard maker. There are elements of this which are perhaps true but Tyson was not ducking Holly. In fact both guys fought other good guys....remember at that time most people would have looked at a mandatory with Holly like a typical Klitscko mandatory, he was unproven as of yet.

[Humean]

True.

What ****ed Tyson was the same thing that is messing Amanda Knox up. He didn't need a good lawyer he needed a PR person, a lobbying firm in DC. No
attorney can overcome that inertia. First off Tyson the viscious predatory beast....and this girl? from a young African American Urban girl, whom one would assume was aware of going up to a hotel room became a madonna: a beauty queen innocent and ******al.... when you bifurcate a woman with respect to the archetype Madonna/Whore look out! the fallout! Tyson got screwed, this ****ing ***** knew exactly what she was getting into.

The lawyer was excellent, it was not like the OJ trial where the prosecution was a bunch of dunces

The problem Tyson had is the same problem Amanda Knox has, namely their guilt.

[SBleeder]

The problem Tyson had is the same problem Amanda Knox has, namely their guilt.

Not sure about Amanda Knox as I haven't researched that case, but I've read the entire transcripts from State v. Tyson. He was guilty as sin.

[lane99]

I have, Bleeder. And suffice to say Humean is much better at analyzing boxing than he is at analyzing criminal cases. Knox is innocent, and it's not even a close call.

There's no reason to think Tyson wasn't guilty.

[lane99]

Nothing on the Primo Carnera thing? Anyway, much like Ali/Foreman, it was ruled a KO, was a big upset, but some say was actually a TKO. I'd say Tyson/Douglas was more a TKO then Ali/Foreman though.

So yeah, Douglas definitely beat Tyson's butt that night.

Good points. Tyson was valiantly struggling to get up. Should have at least got the benefit of a TKO, rather than KO.

Foreman didn't want to continue. Waited until he knew he wouldn't beat the count before he got up (it's a common ploy for boxers who've had enough but don't want to outright quit; p.s. not criticizing them for that). So a "KO" is the right call there.

As for Primo Carnera, I had it last night for dinner. And it's delicious sprinkled with romano cheese and freshly ground pepper.

[euellgong]

very interesting, thank you for posting

[StarshipTrooper]

And suffice to say Humean is much better at analyzing boxing

Actually he sucks at that too.

[Anthony342]

If his defense was so brilliant, how did he end up in prison? And what about the fact that Desiree Washington accused another guy before this? Anyone see Tyson's one man show? It was on Broadway and aired on HBO. He said he was innocent. I don't know, he sounded convincing and he was honest about everything else in that show, so hard to tell if he's telling the truth there.

Was there ever any fluid or DNA evidence?

[billeau2]

The problem Tyson had is the same problem Amanda Knox has, namely their guilt.

Your entitled to your opinion...The Italian justice system makes Kafka's castle look efficient and kind... There was at the very least an element of doubt regarding Tyson. Not saying he may not have deserved a civil suite for damages perhaps.