Did Buster Douglas Really Beat Mike Tyson??

[Yogi]

i disagree, yogi. ali rocked foreman's head back continuously in that fight when on the ropes. there had to have been some power in those punches.

Apparently you missed the part where I said "off the ropes", Butterfly, where Ali was basically throwing nothing but arm punches with no leverage.

[K-DOGG]

Ist Round, 3rd round, 5th round....

Yup...that's what I remember. Ali snapped Foreman off the ropes with shots straight up the middle through George's wide punches, grabbed and rassled him, holding his head down to sap more strength. Brilliant plan, all together.

[Yogi]

Ist Round, 3rd round, 5th round....

I have that Ali/Foreman fight on again as we speak and...where in the first round did Ali "snap" Foreman's head back?

Do you have a guesstimate at the time of the round, or general time of when it happened (like early, mid, late in the round)?

I didn't see it in happen in that round, myself, but maybe I missed it somehow.

[K-DOGG]

Watch the righ hand leads as Foreman comes in. Of course, there is no rope a dope in Round 1.

[Yogi]

Watch the righ hand leads as Foreman comes in. Of course, there is no rope a dope in Round 1.

I see one right hand lead from Ali that noticably landed (very first one Ali threw), but that looked to be largely an arm punch that was thrown off the back foot, as did the following left hand...Both of them caused sideways movement in Foreman's face because they landed (which is what you'll see from EVERY punch in boxing that lands on the face...no matter whose throwing them), but no way in hell were they powerful punches and I wouldn't call those punches as "snapping" one's head back per se'.

But if you do then...

Larry Holmes KO-1 George Foreman (via decapitation)

Why not?

If Ali could "snap" Foreman's head back with what look to be nothing more than a arm punch thrown off the back foot, what the hell do you think would happen if Holmes stepped in behind the jab and uncorked one of his quick, snapping and pretty powerful, inside right crosses that he employed so often (which were also generally thrown with a HELL OF A LOT more leverage behind them than that feeble right/left combo of arm punches by Ali).

[Yogi]

But if you watch the Frazier fight, his punches were not slow in that fight.

Is your copy of the the first Foreman/Frazier fight sped up to ten times it's normal speed or something like that?

*Frazier is backed to the ropes, Foreman throws a right (and while Foreman thows that punch...Yogi gets up, makes a sandwich, drinks a glass a milk, has a nap and then a poop before returning to watch the fight) and follows that with a left to complete the combination*

[the traveler]

Is your copy of the the first Foreman/Frazier fight sped up to ten times it's normal speed or something like that?

*Frazier is backed to the ropes, Foreman throws a right (and while Foreman thows that punch...Yogi gets up, makes a sandwich, drinks a glass a milk, has a nap and then a poop before returning to watch the fight) and follows that with a left to complete the combination*

The guy was throwing some quick hooks and uppercuts that made Joe back up and cover, all he could do was cover. He threw a quick double right hook combo at one point, but hey, I guess he was SLOW

[K-DOGG]

I see one right hand lead from Ali that noticably landed (very first one Ali threw), but that looked to be largely an arm punch that was thrown off the back foot, as did the following left hand...Both of them caused sideways movement in Foreman's face because they landed (which is what you'll see from EVERY punch in boxing that lands on the face...no matter whose throwing them), but no way in hell were they powerful punches and I wouldn't call those punches as "snapping" one's head back per se'.

But if you do then...

Larry Holmes KO-1 George Foreman (via decapitation)

Why not?

If Ali could "snap" Foreman's head back with what look to be nothing more than a arm punch thrown off the back foot, what the hell do you think would happen if Holmes stepped in behind the jab and uncorked one of his quick, snapping and pretty powerful, inside right crosses that he employed so often (which were also generally thrown with a HELL OF A LOT more leverage behind them than that feeble right/left combo of arm punches by Ali).

Dude, you know better than that....you're just being silly and obstinate, now. I know you're intelligent and know your **** because I've read your posts. But don't argue such a petty posistion as what's snapping and what's not. Ali never was a power puncher and if you don't call those snapping punches "snapping" then I don't know what the hell you're talking about. They were off the back foot; but his shoulder was into it, hence...."snapping" and not arm punches.

Good grief.

[smasher]

1. Holmes did clinch Shavers immediately after the knockdown, and once the clinch was broken by ref, tried using his legs for a period of time, as he avoided a couple of big bombs from Shavers...Holmes didn't even throw a single punch until about 15 seconds after the ref resumed the action, and even then it was only a few little taps (right hand, couple of jabs) before Holmes again grabbed Shavers in a clinch.

Go back and watch again. Holmes briefly clinched when Shavers first approached after the knockdown. Holmes stood flat-footed and tried landing some one punch right hand power shots that were sloppy and inaccurate. Holmes while still hurt was momentarily on the ropes and covered briefly before punching to get off. Holmes punch of choice when hurt was the right hand and right uppercut. Not a lot of movement, not alot of holding until the referee would break and not alot of covering up. Same with the Witherspoon fight.

[leff]

The 1990 Buster Douglas was a joke who couldn't even beat David Bey KO'd, Stefan Tangstad, Mike White KO'd, Jesse Ferguson, and Tony Tucker KO'd before handing Mike Tyson his ass on a ****in' silver platter with a side order of **** kicking. Oh and let's not forget the fact that Douglas suffered a 3rd round 1 punch KO at the hands of the relatively average hitting Holyfield in his next fight. How good was Buster Douglas?

Oh yeah and apparently Tyson was messed up and past his prime in the Douglas fight right? Well then that was the version that would have faced in Foreman in 1991. The Foreman of Cooney/Rodrigues/Holyfield stops Tyson.

its steffen tangstad not stefan( ive meat the guy, nice guy)