Tua vs. The Greats

[Forza]

Tua was fun to watch, few decent wins. I give him maybe a punchers chance against a few greats ( marciano, frazier, tyson, ) but the rest would out box him.

[nomadman]

In your post you said "Tua would be about the same size as Marciano if he ran the amount of mileage that Marciano ran". I think if you train like another person and are the same size, then you are the same size. You and some others think Tua would win because he is bigger. But he just trains his muscles differently then Marciano did. Thats why I thought you thought that Marciano's training methods were why he would not beat Tua. While I think the opposite, I think Marciano could fight at a higher tempo along with being a more skilled fighter.

My actual words, if you're gonna quote me, were, "If Tua ran 15 miles a day he might well be the same size as Rocky, but his body would be literally eating itself from the inside out and he'd be nowhere near in fit fighting state for his body type." Notice the last part. It's quite clear that Tua and Marciano have different body types and what benefits one wouldn't necessarily benefit the other. That's my point. Regarding the matchup, I don't think Tua would win just because he's bigger, I think he wins because he's quicker, stronger, more resilient, and a harder hitter, and unlike some of the other boxers on that list he'd have no problems finding the Rock anywhere but right in front of him. Tua was limited as hell but he was absolutely lethal in close range, and whilst he could be outboxed, outslugging him was a completely different prospect.

[Left Hook Tua]

Reread the post: You aren't the person quoted in it. The person in question actually HAS argued that in the past. Along with numerous other arguments supposedly "proving" that fighters from the past 10-15 years are the best ever and all those past greats suck in comparison. Size is a big part of his argument regarding Heavyweights.

And btw, I didn't weight doesn't matter at all: I said it doesn't matter as much as you make it out to matter ie. it isn't a decisive advantage. What I said doesn't matter is height, and no one can provide any empirical evidence showing it does; while tons of evidence can be provided showing that reach DOES matter.

If you're going to dismiss what I say you might want to actually READ what I'm saying instead of giving it a superficial glance.

Poet

the amount that weight matters along with other factors such as height , reach and overall size all vary. it depends on the styles and skills matchups of each fighter.

height does matter. also of varying degrees of importance.

i don't understand how a person can say reach matters and height doesn't. i just don't.

you realize an opponents height affects your reach right? it's basic common sense.

stick your arm out at eye level. now stick your arm out a few inches above eye level.

and i did read your post , i just thought you quoted me.

[Left Hook Tua]

LHT has made the point that this is about who would win a fight, not who has the greater legacy --- has it not occurred to you Tua has no legacy because he simply wasn't good enough to carve one? It takes a great fighter to build a great legacy --- the fellas in this thread, by your own admission, were greats. Tua wasn't. I agree that doesn't determine the outcome, but it's a huge factor. Tua is just flat outclassed here.

outclassed by legacy? sure.

but i've seen atg's lose or have a hard time with much inferior men before.

that's the whole point of this thread. a mediocre talent with strong intangibles like chin , durability , power , stamina and throw him against the greats.

see how he does.

[Quarry]

outclassed by legacy? sure.

but i've seen atg's lose or have a hard time with much inferior men before.

that's the whole point of this thread. a mediocre talent with strong intangibles like chin , durability , power , stamina and throw him against the greats.

see how he does.

your man tua was never much good and was schooled by chris byrd, you say he has a great chin yet rahman floored him so against ATG fighters like patterson, holyfield, frazier he would surely get kod

[Quarry]

so height irrelevant? how ignorant are you?

an opponent's height affects your reach.

size is not just weight. size is everything. height , weight , reach.

height does not necessarily make the fighter have the longer reach, Liston was 6ft 1in with an 85in reach Vitali is 6ft 8ins with a 80in reach so maybe you can explain how height affects reach. reach is measured across a persons back from finger-tip to finger-tip

[Left Hook Tua]

height does not necessarily make the fighter have the longer reach, Liston was 6ft 1in with an 85in reach Vitali is 6ft 8ins with a 80in reach so maybe you can explain how height affects reach. reach is measured across a persons back from finger-tip to finger-tip

HIS height affects YOUR reach.

understand?

[Left Hook Tua]

your man tua was never much good and was schooled by chris byrd, you say he has a great chin yet rahman floored him so against ATG fighters like patterson, holyfield, frazier he would surely get kod

he was schooled by byrd. luckily though a lot of those 15 guys are not quick , slick southpaws.


so now tua's chin wasn't that good now? okay.....

[Clegg]

your man tua was never much good and was schooled by chris byrd, you say he has a great chin yet rahman floored him so against ATG fighters like patterson, holyfield, frazier he would surely get kod

Yup, Tua was dropped by Rahman so of course anyone greater than Rahman would knock him out. Just like how Lennox was not just dropped but KTFO by Rahman, and this proves he would be absolutely destroyed by "ATG fighters like patterson, holyfield, frazier", right?

I don't agree with most of LHT's picks but he is right about the people responding. If you're sitting there thinking 'he got knocked down by someone who isn't great, therefore he'd lose to anyone who is great/ATG' then you're a fool who not only doesn't understand the sport but who also can't have seen much of it, as there are many examples of boxers getting knocked down by fighters who are nowhere near as good as them.

Not that I'm saying this is or isn't the case with David Tua. But what I am saying is don't throw in some ****** attempt at logic in order to make your answer appear factual, especially when your logic is so moronic and ******.

[Quarry]

Yup, Tua was dropped by Rahman so of course anyone greater than Rahman would knock him out. Just like how Lennox was not just dropped but KTFO by Rahman, and this proves he would be absolutely destroyed by "ATG fighters like patterson, holyfield, frazier", right?

I don't agree with most of LHT's picks but he is right about the people responding. If you're sitting there thinking 'he got knocked down by someone who isn't great, therefore he'd lose to anyone who is great/ATG' then you're a fool who not only doesn't understand the sport but who also can't have seen much of it, as there are many examples of boxers getting knocked down by fighters who are nowhere near as good as them.

Not that I'm saying this is or isn't the case with David Tua. But what I am saying is don't throw in some ****** attempt at logic in order to make your answer appear factual, especially when your logic is so moronic and ******.

byrd, rahman and lewis are the best fighters tua ever fought in his career and he got beat by them with them being a long way behind the list of ATGs listed so it is feasible to assume tua gets easily beaten by all of the greats and most likely kod by them, tua is overated plain and simply and has done absolutely nothing during his entire career to warrant such high regard like he is getting here from several posters with nothing but wishful thinking being their only logic