Tua vs. The Greats

[StarshipTrooper]

size matters

it's something a few people on here that are kinda ignorant don't seem to understand.

Here we go. The fallback postition of every size whore on Boxing Scene: He wins because he weighs more. It doesn't work that way.

how the styles matchup.

If there's a more overrated cliche in boxing than "styles make fights" I've yet to come across it. The truth is prohibitive style matchups are EXTREMELY RARE. The better fighter usually wins regardless of the "styles". In fact, the only one of those rare prohibitive matchups that a fighter like Tua features in is bad news for a fighter like Tua: A short-armed swarmer against Foreman.

Poet

[Left Hook Tua]

And he LOST to Byrd and Ibeabuchi and was getting embarressed by the aweful Rahman. Maskaev, Izon, and Oquendo? Those guys were fringe contenders at best.

Frazier certainly had more footspeed than Tua. Not to mention both Frazier and Marciano were better at those things that are usually touted as Tua's strengths. If you knew anything of Johnson you'd know you don't have to "dance" to be hard to hit. Hell, Chris Byrd (who Tua LOST to) made a career of standing right in front of opponents and making them miss.

Poet

ibeabuchi loss is disputable. i thought tua won that myself.

you can rate maskaev , izon , oquendo , etc. as low or as high as you want.

just don't tell me rahman and byrd was a class above them. they were all pretty much the same level.

and if you don't think that , you must not have seen the byrd-oquendo and maskaev-rahman fights.


everyone keeps bringing up chris byrd. please name all of the guys out of those 15 that fight like byrd.

that's like me bringing up how billy conn was beating louis for 12 rounds as a reason tua would beat louis. it'd be dumb because tua can't fight like billy conn.

i brought up jack johnson "dancing" because you were talking about footspeed. you're right jack johnson wouldn't dance. exactly my point.

[StarshipTrooper]

some of those all time greats have bad chins.

Of the fighters on the original list only Patterson, Wlad, and Lewis can be said to have weak chins and we saw what happend against Lewis: Tua was too effing slow to take advantage of it.

Poet

[Left Hook Tua]

Yeah it did Mickey. In fairness tho i think Ike did more of the throwing. Tua's stamina is beyond question

ike was throwing 100 punches a round in the 1st few rounds.

he was very nervous i think.

[Left Hook Tua]

Of the fighters on the original list only Patterson, Wlad, and Lewis can be said to have weak chins and we saw what happend against Lewis: Tua was too effing slow to take advantage of it.

Poet

jack johnson had a weak chin.

joe louis and joe frazier didn't have the best chins either.

too effing slow or too effing short? or both? both i think.

i think lewis being 7 inches taller and having an enormous reach probably played a part in tua not being able to hit him. that's just me though.

[StarshipTrooper]

i brought up jack johnson "dancing" because you were talking about footspeed. you're right jack johnson wouldn't dance. exactly my point.

Completely missing the point as Johnson didn't fight in a manner that requires footspeed to make work against top opponents: Tua did.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

jack johnson had a weak chin.

Did he? And you know this how?

joe louis and joe frazier didn't have the best chins either.

There's a big difference between having an average chin and having a weak one.

too effing slow or too effing short? or both? both i think.

i think lewis being 7 inches taller and having an enormous reach probably played a part in tua not being able to hit him. that's just me though.

Height is irrelivent, it's reach that's the key attribute; and if you're giving up that much reach you better have some footspeed to get inside or your ****ed. You can get away with being slow afoot against most opponents when you have an 80+ inch reach. When you have a 72 inch reach slow feet is the kiss of death against top opponents.

Poet

[Left Hook Tua]

Here we go. The fallback postition of every size whore on Boxing Scene: He wins because he weighs more. It doesn't work that way.




If there's a more overrated cliche in boxing than "styles make fights" I've yet to come across it. The truth is prohibitive style matchups are EXTREMELY RARE. The better fighter usually wins regardless of the "styles". In fact, the only one of those rare prohibitive matchups that a fighter like Tua features in is bad news for a fighter like Tua: A short-armed swarmer against Foreman.

Poet

size whore? because i think size matters?

lmfao

size is not always the defining factor but it's still a factor.

size does matter. contrary to what you might have been told.


and style matchups do matter as well.

i don't really know how you can argue this.


both size doesn't matter and styles don't matter? okay........

[Left Hook Tua]

Did he? And you know this how?




There's a big difference between having an average chin and having a weak one.




Height is irrelivent, it's reach that's the key attribute; and if you're giving up that much reach you better have some footspeed to get inside or your ****ed. You can get away with being slow afoot against most opponents when you have an 80+ inch reach. When you have a 72 inch reach slow feet is the kiss of death against top opponents.

Poet

oh i don't know because he jack johnson got knocked out a few times and got knocked down a few times. maybe i'm being too negative saying "weak". maybe i'm too influenced by the fact that i saw stanley ketchel dropped him.

educate me. explain to me how great jack johnson's chin was.


you're right joe louis and joe frazier does have average chins. i just mentioned them because you said wlad and lennox had weak chins and i don't see how louis and joe had superior chins to wlad and lennox.


no height is not irrelevant and yes reach is a key attribute.

hence why size matters. bigger men usually also have the longer reach.

but wait.....size doesn't matter right? but reach does? but height doesn't?

hmmm i'm confused. no wait.....you are.

[joseph5620]

12-round Fights , Prime for Prime

David Tua vs. Jack Johnson - Johnson by UD

David Tua vs. Mike Tyson - Tyson by KO

David Tua vs. George Foreman - Foreman by TKO

David Tua vs. Larry Holmes - Holmes by UD

David Tua vs. Muhammad Ali - Ali by UD

David Tua vs. Sonny Liston - Liston by UD

David Tua vs. Evander Holyfield - Holyfield by UD

David Tua vs. Rid**** Bowe - Bowe by KO

David Tua vs. Joe Louis - Joe Louis by KO

David Tua vs. Joe Frazier - Joe Frazier by UD

David Tua vs. Lennox Lewis - Lewis by SDDavid Tua vs. Rocky Marciano - Marciano by UD

David Tua vs. Floyd Patterson - Patterson by UD

David Tua vs. Vitali Klitschko - Klitschko by UD

David Tua vs. Wladimir Klitschko - Wlad by UD


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That fight already happened and it wasn't close.