Tua vs. The Greats

[Earl-Hickey]

David Tua vs. Jack Johnson - Tua by KO

David Tua vs. Mike Tyson - Tua by TKO

David Tua vs. George Foreman - Foreman by TKO

David Tua vs. Larry Holmes - Holmes by UD

David Tua vs. Muhammad Ali - Ali by UD

David Tua vs. Sonny Liston - Tua by KO

David Tua vs. Evander Holyfield - Tua by TKO

David Tua vs. Rid**** Bowe - Tua by UD

David Tua vs. Joe Louis - Tua by KO

David Tua vs. Joe Frazier - Frazier by KO

David Tua vs. Lennox Lewis - Lewis by UD

David Tua vs. Rocky Marciano - Tua by TKO

David Tua vs. Floyd Patterson - Tua by KO

David Tua vs. Vitali Klitschko - Klitschko by UD

David Tua vs. Wladimir Klitschko - Tua by KO

[Left Hook Tua]

Id give Tua a shot against johnson but thats about it,he was a very tough fighter with knockout power but i just cant favour him over many legit all time greats,and lets be fair,he did lose too the best 3 guys he faced,and that has too be taken into consideration when talking about a monumental step-up in class like matching him with frazier,foreman etc

he didn't lose to the 3 "best guys" he faced.

lewis was great but i don't know how one can "without a doubt" claim that byrd and ike was so much better than the guys he did beat.

only one has to do is watch byrd-oquendo to see this.

a win by ibeabuchi over guys like rahman or even maskaev is not a given either.

[Left Hook Tua]

I think talent matters more then 30 pounds of weight. Never thought Tua was as good as you think.

and sometimes...... people overvalue "talent".

how many times in boxing did the more talented guy lose to a less talented one?

sometimes intangibles matter. it's not all about skills , all the time.

sometimes intangibles like chin , durability , stamina , etc. play a factor.

tua had those intangibles.

[Left Hook Tua]

I'm saying exactly that, but Shavers generally fought in tougher company than Tua. This with the exception of LL who beat him without trying really.

Agreed that Tua's probably ahead in the stamina and chin departments, but that's all really. Matching them is a tough one to call, but if Tua can Take Ernie's right hook i'd be inclined to go with him by KO, but has Tua been in with anyone who ****s like Shavers?

actually earnie is a good example of why tua might have done better than you think against greater fighters.

take the holmes-shavers fight.

shavers was this close to getting a ko win over larry. i still don't know how larry got up from that shot.

and holmes is SUPERIOR in almost every way to shavers.

shavers is not that much better technically than tua. shavers right maybe has a **** hair more power than tua's left. but tua was more durable , had a greater chin and definitely superior stamina.

i would not pick shavers to beat tua. i doubt many would.

[Left Hook Tua]

I only have few points

A. In what ****ing world does my man, Sam Langford, not qualify as a Great in this Tua vs The Greats list?

B. Primo Carnera out weighed everyone. 88-14 is respectible, and 5 out of 14 is not a bad KO loss ratio either. However, Primo got knocked out by guys he out weighed by 50-60lbs.

C. Joe ****ing Louis? Are you ****ing ****ting me? I dissagree with quite a few of the Tua victories but Joe surprised me the most. It's always understandable when people crap on Marciano here cause most of you like pop shots and running backward (**** Ali) but wtf did Joe Louis struggle with? He was excellent every where. Ibeabuchi was good at every angle, Joe Louis was great at every angle. Tua's got nothing for Joe.

A. it's not a knock on langford. the fighters i named is not a definite list of who i thought were atg's. i left quite a few great heavyweights out of my comparisons. jack dempsey for example. just because i have no idea who to pick in that one.

also notice how most of the guys i listed were 60's era or later. because the 60's was when the modern era of heavyweights kinda started. that's when almost everyone was at least 5'10-6'0 and at least 200 lbs. for the most part.

jack johnson and joe louis i included because they were 6 footers and around 200 lbs.

B. just because people were able to overcome great size against guys like primo carnera doesn't mean size automatically doesn't matter. i don't rate carnera to highly. to me (IMO) he was more of a circus sideshow. i liken him to his era's nikolay valuev in our era.

C. louis-tua was a tough one for me. louis had superior skills to tua and "should" really win a lopsided decision. the thing is to me is that while louis is greatly skilled and technical , he was still a puncher. a great boxer puncher but not a pure boxer. he would fight tua in spots giving tua some opportunities. louis also didn't have fast feet. meaning tua will be able to get to him. plus louis chin while not bad per se wasn't great either. billy conn rocked him remember? so did quite a few people.

check out joe louis vs. two ton galento. galento was able to stagger louis and knock him down.

how would you compare tony galento to david tua?

[Left Hook Tua]

David Tua vs. Sonny Liston - Tua by KO

David Tua vs. Joe Frazier - Frazier by KO

i don't know about this 2.

sonny liston had a damn good chin. damn good. i don't know if i can see tua knocking him out tbh. even in a slugfest.

the only time liston's chin was ever questioned was what liston-ali 2? and we all know the story behind that fight......


i just don't see frazier koing tua. frazier had solid power but he wasn't a one punch power type guy.

frazier was a pressure fighter with solid power. he wore his opponents down.

i don't think frazier can wear tua down.

frazier is better skilled but tua's superior power , superior chin and durability would trump that.

[IronDanHamza]

i don't know about this 2.

sonny liston had a damn good chin. damn good. i don't know if i can see tua knocking him out tbh. even in a slugfest.

the only time liston's chin was ever questioned was what liston-ali 2? and we all know the story behind that fight......


i just don't see frazier koing tua. frazier had solid power but he wasn't a one punch power type guy.

frazier was a pressure fighter with solid power. he wore his opponents down.

i don't think frazier can wear tua down.

frazier is better skilled but tua's superior power , superior chin and durability would trump that.

Yeah. Liston had his jaw broken half way through his fight with Marshall early in his career and didn't get stopped.

Liston had good chin and David Tua is not going to stop him.

[Left Hook Tua]

Yeah. Liston had his jaw broken half way through his fight with Marshall early in his career and didn't get stopped.

Liston had good chin and David Tua is not going to stop him.

i think liston will own tua with that beautiful jab on the outside and when they do mix it up liston will give us much as he gets.

maybe tua doesn't get koed but liston definitely wins.

[Marchegiano]

A. it's not a knock on langford. the fighters i named is not a definite list of who i thought were atg's. i left quite a few great heavyweights out of my comparisons. jack dempsey for example. just because i have no idea who to pick in that one.

also notice how most of the guys i listed were 60's era or later. because the 60's was when the modern era of heavyweights kinda started. that's when almost everyone was at least 5'10-6'0 and at least 200 lbs. for the most part.

jack johnson and joe louis i included because they were 6 footers and around 200 lbs.

B. just because people were able to overcome great size against guys like primo carnera doesn't mean size automatically doesn't matter. i don't rate carnera to highly. to me (IMO) he was more of a circus sideshow. i liken him to his era's nikolay valuev in our era.

C. louis-tua was a tough one for me. louis had superior skills to tua and "should" really win a lopsided decision. the thing is to me is that while louis is greatly skilled and technical , he was still a puncher. a great boxer puncher but not a pure boxer. he would fight tua in spots giving tua some opportunities. louis also didn't have fast feet. meaning tua will be able to get to him. plus louis chin while not bad per se wasn't great either. billy conn rocked him remember? so did quite a few people.

check out joe louis vs. two ton galento. galento was able to stagger louis and knock him down.

how would you compare tony galento to david tua?

Dude, way to hold down a fort. I really hadn't noticed how many people you were responding to the first time I posted. props to you my friend.

Your right I assumed you meant your ATG 15.

Your right size isn't always a pro weather your talking big or little. My point was Tua only knows how to fight a short man's fight. Similarly to how Primo only knew how to be big. What would happen to Primo if he had to fight a guy larger than him? That's basically how I see Tua v Marciano. Of the two of them I think Tua would have to make adjustments to his game plan, and Rocky gets to box the way Rocky does from the crouch. Tua making adjustment to his game plan

Tony Galento is a side show. I love that fat bald bastard, and that is an excellent point. Tua definitely has a one punch chance against anyone. I never meant to communicate any doubt in that, and Galento is no Tua thats for sure, but I think Joe might have underestimated Galento. I wouldn't assume Joe Louis would be too scared of a guy who wrestles bears, and boxes kangaroos. I would assume Joe might get intimidated by a huge islander. Also it's very true that Joe was a puncher's boxer, and he'd engage Tua both on the inside and at a distance. Like I said before Tua can only fight the short mans fight. I think Joe's uppercut wins on the inside.

[SirTomJones]

Loses to Vitali.

Depends what Wlad he fights