Jack Dempsey vs Lennox Lewis.

[RubenSonny]

Probably because you know zero about either...

put fourth a convincing argument as to why Dempseys resume is greater.

[joseph5620]

You are talking about a triangle theory. Where did Sonny use that logic in his post?

Using a past prime Jack Johnson as an example of Willard being better than Lennox Lewis is pretty self explanatory. I don't think I need to point anything out. On top of it all, Willard was still losing badly the fight until Johnson ran out of gas after 20 rounds in a fight ridiculously scheduled for 45 rounds.

[Scott9945]

Using a past prime Jack Johnson as an example of Willard being better than Lennox Lewis is pretty self explanatory. I don't think I need to point anything out. On top of it all, Willard was still losing badly the fight until Johnson ran out of gas after 20 rounds in a fight ridiculously scheduled for 45 rounds.

Hey Joseph, Jack Johnson is regarded as a great win for Willard, but wins over a much younger Holyfield and Tyson don't earn Lewis any credit. Double standard much?

Like Bob Dylan said, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

[sonnyboyx2]

Hey Joseph, Jack Johnson is regarded as a great win for Willard, but wins over a much younger Holyfield and Tyson don't earn Lewis any credit. Double standard much?

Like Bob Dylan said, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

Did Lewis beat Holyfield?

also it is the manner in which Dempsey took care of Willard unlike Lewis taking 8rds to beat a zombie when Danny Williams & Kevin McBride done it in far quicker time.. you also ignore the McCall & Rahman KOs as well as dismiss Dempsey's incredible KO record.. so i think the "Double standards quote" is a bit below the belt..Lets look at the facts:
1/. who has Lewis beaten who was prime
2/. who had the better chin
3/. who was the better puncher
4/. who was the better boxer
5/. who has Dempsey beaten who was prime
6/. who had the better footwork
7/. who had the better speed
8/. who was the fitter

[sonnyboyx2]

Steroid fueled Holyfield was beter than the shot version Johnson that Willard fought.

And we know for certain that Holyfield did not throw the fight against Lennox.

so its ok for you to claim Holyfield is a steroid abuser yet not ok for a well known boxing historian to claim Lewis was a steroid abuser, yet looking at Lewis physique in the McCall (1) fight compared to his physique in the Rahman (2) fight it is clear he was using steroids :

[Scott9945]

Did Lewis beat Holyfield?

also it is the manner in which Dempsey took care of Willard unlike Lewis taking 8rds to beat a zombie when Danny Williams & Kevin McBride done it in far quicker time.. you also ignore the McCall & Rahman KOs as well as dismiss Dempsey's incredible KO record.. so i think the "Double standards quote" is a bit below the belt..Lets look at the facts:
1/. who has Lewis beaten who was prime
2/. who had the better chin
3/. who was the better puncher
4/. who was the better boxer
5/. who has Dempsey beaten who was prime
6/. who had the better footwork
7/. who had the better speed
8/. who was the fitter

Lewis did beat Holyfield. Twice actually. And we were discussing Willard beating Jack Johnson, not losing to Dempsey. That took 26 long rounds. I was specifically addressing the double standards of beating a top fighter on the way down. Johnson would never have lost to a piece of crap like Willard if he were anywhere near his prime.

But on topic I could imagine a prime Dempsey beating Lewis.

[sonnyboyx2]

Lewis did beat Holyfield. Twice actually. And we were discussing Willard beating Jack Johnson, not losing to Dempsey. That took 26 long rounds. I was specifically addressing the double standards of beating a top fighter on the way down. Johnson would never have lost to a piece of crap like Willard if he were anywhere near his prime.

But on topic I could imagine a prime Dempsey beating Lewis.

i can agree with you on that Johnson would never have lost to Willard if in his prime just like Holyfield & Tyson would never have lost to Lewis if in their prime.

[Joeyzagz]

so its ok for you to claim Holyfield is a steroid abuser yet not ok for a well known boxing historian to claim Lewis was a steroid abuser, yet looking at Lewis physique in the McCall (1) fight compared to his physique in the Rahman (2) fight it is clear he was using steroids :

Holyfield has popped up on two major steroid rings in the United States:

1. Signature Pharmacy, Orlando, Florida
2. Applied Pharmacy Services in Alabama

Late Wednesday, SI.com reported that the name "Evan Fields" appeared on law enforcement documents reviewed by the Web site in connection with the Mobile investigation. SI.com dialed a phone number associated with "Fields" that was listed on one of the documents, and Holyfield answered the call. "Fields" listed birth date in the document -- Oct. 19, 1962 -- also is the same as Holyfield's.

According to SI.com, the individual who authorities believe to be Holyfield picked up prescriptions that came from Applied Pharmacy. According to records reviewed by SI.com, Holyfield picked up vials of testosterone, two vials of Glukor (a drug believed to be used during and after steroid cycles) and injection supplies. Less than a week later, according to the document, he picked up five vials of Saizen, a brand of HGH, and related supplies.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2782741

These are facts. Jorgensen simply stated an opinion without evidence.

[sonnyboyx2]

Holyfield has popped up on two major steroid rings in the United States:

1. Signature Pharmacy, Orlando, Florida
2. Applied Pharmacy Services in Alabama

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2782741

These are facts. Jorgensen simply stated an opinion without evidence.

Those sites also just state an opinion.. Holyfield has NEVER tested positive for any banned substance...

[sonnyboyx2]

in the Fight program for Lewis vs Ruddock 02.11.1992 which was published by Lewis promotional company Panix Promotions Lewis is listed as being 6ft 4ins tall yet after his use of steroids and growth ****ne Lewis is now 6ft 5ins+. ?