Lennox Lewis ''Mike Tyson Was A One Dimensional Boxer''

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  • CiganoBoxer
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    #21
    Originally posted by CarlosG815
    Those are B - C rated fighters and I have always thought Lennox to be nothing more than a B rated fighter who was very well matched and was able to beat big name fighters at the most opportune time. I believe this to be true, and I believe that a very strong case can be made that it is a fact.

    Lewis never looked impressive, was knocked out VERY early in both of his KO losses, and never fought the best his division had to offer, which is not the case with Tyson. He fought the who's who of his day and those that people wanted to see.

    Even when Lewis took on subpar competition, in Rahman and McCall, he was disposed of as if they were world class elite ATG's. If Lewis was as great as you claim, he would not have been put on his ass in such few rounds, as great fighters can take a punch and keep fighting.

    Lewis is a product of very masterful matchmaking and good management. He had never taken much risk in his career, and when he did try to step out of the realm of D class fighters, he was out cold against high C almost B level fighters in Rahman and McCall.
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      #22
      Lewis remains, as always, smug & conceited to the extreme. However, if that were the worst we could expect from our champions, the sport would have a much better image. From that perspective, Lewis irritates, but still brings pride to the sport by virtue of not disgracing himself beyond the ropes as so many insist on doing.

      I have to say, though, his opinion of himself as a fighter will forever be inflated beyond reality, & I do have to say, prime-for-prime, Tyson's speed would be the difference in a fight between them. We all know Lewis would not be able to withstand Tyson's arsenal, so the question is, can he stop the incoming? My vote is he's just too slow.

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        #23
        Originally posted by Wild Blue Yonda
        Lewis remains, as always, smug & conceited to the extreme. However, if that were the worst we could expect from our champions, the sport would have a much better image. From that perspective, Lewis irritates, but still brings pride to the sport by virtue of not disgracing himself beyond the ropes as so many insist on doing.

        I have to say, though, his opinion of himself as a fighter will forever be inflated beyond reality, & I do have to say, prime-for-prime, Tyson's speed would be the difference in a fight between them. We all know Lewis would not be able to withstand Tyson's arsenal, so the question is, can he stop the incoming? My vote is he's just too slow.
        i dont think lewis is that conceited . I mean he is like every other great champion that came before him he believes he is the best if he didnt believe that he couldnt of beat prime mike tyson he wouldnt of achieved what he did . I was never a big fan of lewis as a fighter but it has to be said that he was not only a great champion in the ring he was also a great champion outside the ring . He has never beat or abused women or got in to street fights outside the ring or got his **** stuck in to every woman he came across like evander holyfield. Also despite the fact that tyson bit his leg he says him and tyson are now on good terms and meet up every and now and then for a drink. So love or loathe him as a fighter you cannot deny that Lewis has been a great ambassador for the sport of boxing.

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          #24
          Kind of strange to see someone as knowledgeable as Lewis saying this about Tyson. Yes Tyson would come forward to finish you, but he could also box very well at one point in time. He even outjabbed much larger men like Tucker and Biggs. I think in his prime he showed a lot more 'dimensions'.

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            #25
            Originally posted by Wild Blue Yonda
            Lewis remains, as always, smug & conceited to the extreme. However, if that were the worst we could expect from our champions, the sport would have a much better image. From that perspective, Lewis irritates, but still brings pride to the sport by virtue of not disgracing himself beyond the ropes as so many insist on doing.

            I have to say, though, his opinion of himself as a fighter will forever be inflated beyond reality, & I do have to say, prime-for-prime, Tyson's speed would be the difference in a fight between them. We all know Lewis would not be able to withstand Tyson's arsenal, so the question is, can he stop the incoming? My vote is he's just too slow.
            Well said, Yonda. And I love the Gif in your sig.

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              #26
              Originally posted by catskills23
              i dont think lewis is that conceited . I mean he is like every other great champion that came before him he believes he is the best if he didnt believe that he couldnt of beat prime mike tyson he wouldnt of achieved what he did . I was never a big fan of lewis as a fighter but it has to be said that he was not only a great champion in the ring he was also a great champion outside the ring . He has never beat or abused women or got in to street fights outside the ring or got his **** stuck in to every woman he came across like evander holyfield. Also despite the fact that tyson bit his leg he says him and tyson are now on good terms and meet up every and now and then for a drink. So love or loathe him as a fighter you cannot deny that Lewis has been a great ambassador for the sport of boxing.
              Did you read my post? You are only re-iterating what I said.

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                #27
                Originally posted by CarlosG815
                Well said, Yonda. And I love the Gif in your sig.
                Thank you! The idea I'm going for with the quote is that Dempsey is chasing his prime from several years before, just as he chases Tunney about the ring. Both are a futile effort (in keeping with the quote's origins), but Dempsey shows at least a glimpse of that glistening, brutal peak in this crucial & fabled moment.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Mrpedigree
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                  Care to state a case or would you rather just call bull**** and take your ball and go home?

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Mrpedigree
                    Not for decent fighters he wasnt ..hell he even got beat by bums and didn't even attempt to avenge those losses....witch sort exposes Tyson to the keen eye ...as soon as he stepped in a ring with anybody not even half scared to fight back he lost...everybody seems to wanna make excuses for tyson on why he lost fights ,but no body looks at the facts...he lost ! the bottom line is that his resume against common opponents shared with Lewis or Holyfield ent that great ...in fact both Lewis and Holyfield are clearly far better fighters !
                    Are you claiming Lewis was not scared?... Lewis was terrified of a "Shell of Mike Tyson" and had to have 30 police officers cordon off the ring so as Tyson could not eye-ball him... Danny Williams & Kevin McBride had more guts than Lennox Lewis as well as more fight in them as they beat the shell of Tyson far easier than the terrified Lewis did.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Kid McCoy
                      Boxing history is crammed full of ATGs who were beaten by lesser fighters. Ali lost to Spinks, Tyson lost to Douglas, Holyfield lost to Moorer, Louis lost to Schmeling, Johnson lost to Hart, Foreman lost to Morrison. That doesn't make them bad fighters. Far from being out cold, Lewis beat the count against McCall and was waved off on his feet by Don King's referee. I've seen fighters in a worse condition allowed to continue, Holmes against Snipes for one. Which leaves one one punch KO loss in 15 years as a pro at age 36, an age when most other heavyweights are excused all manner of embarrassing defeats on the grounds of being shot.

                      Lewis most certainly did take "risky" fights. Contrast his career with Bowe who fought hardly anyone of note yet mysteriously gets a pass for it. Lewis' career is full of fighters who were going to demolish him until he actually beat them, at which point they conveniently became old/shot/exposed/rubbish. He fought Razor Ruddock, who few were interested in after the Tyson series. He sought out Tyson, Bowe etc but they didn't want him. He sought rematches with fighters who beat him. He took a tough fight with Mercer in the US. He fought Golota following his beatdown of Bowe. He fought Holyfield to unify the titles. He fought Tua, another guy no one wanted to fight. In his final fight at age 37 he took on and beat his #1 contender Klitschko. Give him a break.
                      McCall poleaxed Lewis yet you make up excuses of "Don Kings referee" which is simply not true, when has referee Jose Guadalupe Garcia ever refereed a Don King fight?.. show me your evidence instead of making things up to suit your agenda... was you at the fight?

                      Lennox Lewis was 8/11 favorite to beat Ruddock who was "Damaged-Goods" after 2 brutal hammerings by Mike Tyson getting his jaw, cheekbone & eye-socket smashed.. Canadians both Lewis & Ruddock with Lewis knowing Ruddock was a one-handed fighter who was finished which is why he chose to fight him.

                      You keep claiming Tyson & Bowe refused to fight Lewis yet never ever have you supplied any proof of this other than twisting Lewis acceptance of step-a-side-money as proof Tyson was ducking him yet common sense say's a fighter who fancied his chances of beating Tyson would have turned down the offer and went ahead and forced him to fight and got a payday of 4 times as much as the step-a-side-money as well as a World Title... The same goes for Rid**** Bowe who told the WBC where to stuff their belt after Lewis "priced himself out"... here is the link:



                      Yet you trash what Rid**** Bowe is claiming.. why?..
                      yet you never put up any evidence to prove Bowe wrong, the Bowe camp offered Lewis career highest paydays on several occasions from 93-95 yet you dismiss that fact and still claim Bowe ducked Lewis?

                      You claim Lewis took a tough fight with Mercer in the USA yet Razor Ruddock is Canadian like Lewis and he fought many tough fights in the USA... Larry Holmes at 43yrs old schooled Ray Mercer 3yrs before Lewis struggled with him, Mercer was soundly beaten by Jesse Ferguson and Evander Holyfield in fights before he fought Lewis yet you ridicule Bowe for fighting Ferguson and destroying him in less than 2rds.. The truth is Lewis was terrified of Rid**** Bowe.



                      You claim Lewis fought David Tua who no one wanted to fight...Tua had been hammered by novice Ike Ibeabuchi and had beaten not a single fighter who was ranked in the worlds Top 10 with his only claim to fame being that he KOd a novice John Ruiz and when Tua did fight Lewis he had to slim down from over 300lbs to 250lb on fight night.

                      You claim Lewis fought Holyfield to unify the titles yet forget to say that Holyfield was years past his best and that both fights was highly controversial with Lewis looking to be the clear winner of their first fight and Holyfield the clear winner of their second fight...



                      You then finish by claiming at age 37 he took on Klitschko and we should give him a break.... But again it was Lewis himself who boasted "i will have one brother for breakfast the other brother for tea" as well as claiming " i am like Fine Wine"...but the truth is he came unstuck against Vitali and Vitali's resume would not strike fear into Tyson or Bowe.

                      i know you believe what you claim to be true but it would help if you could put up links to back up your claims as in the past you have made these exact claims and never had anything to prove them as being correct yet your quick to trash any other links which are provided.

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