Lennox Lewis ''Mike Tyson Was A One Dimensional Boxer''

[StarshipTrooper]

When did that guy ever referee any fight? Don King's personally chosen referee who no one has heard from before or since who just happened to stop the opponent of King's fighter controversially. Hmmm....

I dunno, was Richard Steel reffing that fight? :dunno9:

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[sonnyboyx2]

When did that guy ever referee any fight? Don King's personally chosen referee who no one has heard from before or since who just happened to stop the opponent of King's fighter controversially. Hmmm....



Ruddock didn't look "damaged goods" in previous two fights. No one wanted to fight him after Tyson. It's just another after the fact excuse to discredit Lewis. If Ruddock beat Lewis you'd say it proved Lewis could never handle a top prime heavyweight.



Funny how what Bowe says is cast iron but you earlier trashed Lewis for expressing his opinion of Tyson.

Bowe and Tyson both ditched their belt when Lewis was the mandatory challenger. Agreed or not? Tyson and King didn't want Lewis, they wanted Holyfield and that's who they were going to get come what may. Bowe/Newman only made face-saving offers they knew Lewis would never accept, like a 90-10 split of the $32million offer you always mention.

http://news.google.co.uk/newspapers?...we+lewis&hl=en

That Bowe ignored most every top contender around, preferring to face ancient guys like Dokes and Ferguson or fringe contenders like Hide and Mathis tells its own story.



That's the second time you've mentioned Lewis being Canadian. Do you have a particular problem with Lewis' nationality? Presumably you also dislike that Hungarian-Aussie Joe Bugner for the same reasons. Mercer was a tough guy to beat when he was on, he just wasn't "on" that often. He'd just given Holyfield a hard fight and brought his A-game for Lewis too. Taking on a strong tough fighter on his home turf is what I'd call risky and Lewis did it.



Hammered by novice Ike? A strange interpretation of that fight. Ruiz was 24 and in his 28th pro fight. Some novice. I'm just surprised you didn't say Tua was the fattest challenger in history, even though he wasn't.



So Holy was years past his best when he faced Lewis but not so many years past his best that he couldn't handle the supposed terror of the division John Ruiz in his next fight? Make up your mind.

Graham Houston, the author of that article you just posted, said Lewis was "a thoroughly deserving victor".



Strange that so many of Lewis' opponents were old, shot or washed up, yet he gets no slack from you for what he was doing when he was old. Lewis left Vitali's face looking like he'd put it in a food blender. Funny way of "coming unstuck". What were Louis, Ali, Tyson, Marciano, Tunney, Dempsey and Frazier doing at age 37?



Like you back up your claims that Lewis ducked Bonecrusher, Witherspoon, Hide, Brewster and Jones?

Panix Promotions who promote Lennox Lewis was the promoters of Lewis vs McCall (1) at Wembley Arena September 1994.. They selected & hired the judges & referee with 2 judges & the referee being european the other judge from Japan and nothing whatsoever to do with Don King... you made up that accusation that the referee was chosen by Don King so as to suit your idiotic theory that the referee stopped the fight early, yet you was not there to see it unfold, i was there and can assure you the stoppage was correct with almost everyone at ringside shouting "Stop it, Stop it.. there was not a single protest from anyone of the 14000 Lewis fans in the crowd (myself included) it was stunned silence with the only voice being Oliver McCalls who was shouting, "i told yer, i told yer i would knock him out".. Lewis was still out of it 10 minutes later as he was helped down the ring steps... if Lewis had been allowed to continue fighting in the second round like you claim he should, i am 100% certain that within 10 seconds McCall would have ended Lennox Lewis career and there was more than 2 minutes remaining in that round.

The rest of your post is "Swings & roundabouts" for you to claim that Mike Tyson was afraid to fight Lennox Lewis in 1996 when Lewis had just been poleaxed by a sparring partner of Tyson's is laughable... Lewis was not a PPV fighter he was thought of as nothing but a bum and the offers made by Tyson to fight him at that time was fantastic offers for a guy who was in Lewis position, and for you to claim otherwise is simply untrue.

[Kid McCoy]

Panix Promotions who promote Lennox Lewis was the promoters of Lewis vs McCall (1) at Wembley Arena September 1994.. They selected & hired the judges & referee with 2 judges & the referee being european the other judge from Japan and nothing whatsoever to do with Don King... you made up that accusation that the referee was chosen by Don King so as to suit your idiotic theory that the referee stopped the fight early, yet you was not there to see it unfold, i was there and can assure you the stoppage was correct with almost everyone at ringside shouting "Stop it, Stop it.. there was not a single protest from anyone of the 14000 Lewis fans in the crowd (myself included) it was stunned silence with the only voice being Oliver McCalls who was shouting, "i told yer, i told yer i would knock him out".. Lewis was still out of it 10 minutes later as he was helped down the ring steps... if Lewis had been allowed to continue fighting in the second round like you claim he should, i am 100% certain that within 10 seconds McCall would have ended Lennox Lewis career and there was more than 2 minutes remaining in that round.

Any fight involving a Don King fighter has something to do with Don King. It's naive to think otherwise. And it was the WBC, not the promoters, who selected him. Even one of the commentators shouted: "The WBC's referee stopped the fight." Being "100% certain" about something speculative is meaningless. I could say I'm 100% certain Lewis would have survived like he did when he was hurt against Briggs and Klitschko. Let's face it McCall was hardly a Joe Louis finisher.

As it was, the heavyweight champion was stopped on his feet after beating the count, early in the fight when neither man had shipped much punishment. I've seen fighters in a worse condition allowed to continue, and survive to win. Look at Holmes against Snipes. I'm 100% certain you'd be complaining bitterly if a Lewis opponent was stopped like that.

[sonnyboyx2]

Any fight involving a Don King fighter has something to do with Don King. It's naive to think otherwise. And it was the WBC, not the promoters, who selected him. Even one of the commentators shouted: "The WBC's referee stopped the fight." Being "100% certain" about something speculative is meaningless. I could say I'm 100% certain Lewis would have survived like he did when he was hurt against Briggs and Klitschko. Let's face it McCall was hardly a Joe Louis finisher.

As it was, the heavyweight champion was stopped on his feet after beating the count, early in the fight when neither man had shipped much punishment. I've seen fighters in a worse condition allowed to continue, and survive to win. Look at Holmes against Snipes. I'm 100% certain you'd be complaining bitterly if a Lewis opponent was stopped like that.

what evidence do you have that the referee was involved with Don King and that the fight was Fixed...?

You claim "neither man had shipped much punishment"... was you at the fight?.... i was at the fight and Lewis walked back to his corner at the bell to end the first round wincing in pain from a McCall body punch..

What makes you think Lewis could have continued?
What makes you believe Lewis could have continued and survived the round?

Here is a poor coverage of that fight, take a look at how unsteady Lewis was and count how many times Lewis tried his right-hand.. McCall was ready for him and would have killed him if it was aloud to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeD40bYbpGI

[CarlosG815]

what evidence do you have that the referee was involved with Don King and that the fight was Fixed...?

You claim "neither man had shipped much punishment"... was you at the fight?.... i was at the fight and Lewis walked back to his corner at the bell to end the first round wincing in pain from a McCall body punch..

What makes you think Lewis could have continued?
What makes you believe Lewis could have continued and survived the round?

Here is a poor coverage of that fight, take a look at how unsteady Lewis was and count how many times Lewis tried his right-hand.. McCall was ready for him and would have killed him if it was aloud to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeD40bYbpGI

I think the evidence for his case is simply "It was a Don King fight, so he had something to do with the refs, and because he had something to do with the ref's, they must have been crooked because Don King is a slimy reptalian mutha ****a, he'd kill his own mutha for a dolla."

Kid McCoy, there really is no merit to what you're saying, from what I have read in your posts. It is clear to me that in both of his knockouts Lennox Lewis was done for and rightfully stopped.

Edit: Just watched the McCall fight again and WOW. I am in awe as to how bad Lennox's jab was and how terrible his footwork is. I'm sorry, I just can not get into guys who fight like that. He is just not very good at all, I can not understand how he is rated so highly.

[Kid McCoy]

what evidence do you have that the referee was involved with Don King and that the fight was Fixed...?

You claim "neither man had shipped much punishment"... was you at the fight?.... i was at the fight and Lewis walked back to his corner at the bell to end the first round wincing in pain from a McCall body punch..

What makes you think Lewis could have continued?
What makes you believe Lewis could have continued and survived the round?

Here is a poor coverage of that fight, take a look at how unsteady Lewis was and count how many times Lewis tried his right-hand.. McCall was ready for him and would have killed him if it was aloud to continue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeD40bYbpGI

I never said the fight was fixed so don't put words in my mouth. I said it was an unknown referee provided by the WBC (who runs the WBC?) who stopped the fight prematurely in favour of the King fighter. Based on the questionable stoppage and the long history of dodgy officiating involving King fighters, it's not hard to put two and two together.

Lewis had enough about him to beat the count, to put his gloves up and to protest when the referee stopped it. As the champion in the second round of a title fight, he deserved the chance to continue. I have no doubt you'd seize upon it if a Lewis opponent was stopped in that fashion. What could he have done? How about clinch or move like he did when he was hurt in other fights? If it had continued and McCall had KO'd him cold there'd be no argument from me, but ultimately what you think McCall might have done is irrelevant because we never got to find out.

Here's Larry Holmes being dropped by Renaldo Snipes. To me he was hurt worse than Lewis, to the extent that he staggered into the turnbuckle when he got up. Put the Lewis referee in charge of that fight and Holmes gets a KO loss on his record. As it was that referee let the fight go on and Holmes got to show his heart and recuperative powers. Lewis didn't get that chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu4R_ZobU0

And no I don't consider one body punch "much punishment".

[sonnyboyx2]

I never said the fight was fixed so don't put words in my mouth. I said it was an unknown referee provided by the WBC (who runs the WBC?) who stopped the fight prematurely in favour of the King fighter. Based on the questionable stoppage and the long history of dodgy officiating involving King fighters, it's not hard to put two and two together.

Lewis had enough about him to beat the count, to put his gloves up and to protest when the referee stopped it. As the champion in the second round of a title fight, he deserved the chance to continue. I have no doubt you'd seize upon it if a Lewis opponent was stopped in that fashion. What could he have done? How about clinch or move like he did when he was hurt in other fights? If it had continued and McCall had KO'd him cold there'd be no argument from me, but ultimately what you think McCall might have done is irrelevant because we never got to find out.

Here's Larry Holmes being dropped by Renaldo Snipes. To me he was hurt worse than Lewis, to the extent that he staggered into the turnbuckle when he got up. Put the Lewis referee in charge of that fight and Holmes gets a KO loss on his record. As it was that referee let the fight go on and Holmes got to show his heart and recuperative powers. Lewis didn't get that chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlu4R_ZobU0

And no I don't consider one body punch "much punishment".

you are now making a fool of yourself as your argument has no basis to it, first you claimed the referee is a Don King referee yet the guy done an excellent job unlike the Lennox Lewis referee (Mickey Vann) who refereed Lewis vs Bruno and stopped the fight without Bruno even going down regardless that Frank was ahead on the scorecards..

What has Holmes vs Snipes to do with this?... it in no way resembles the Lewis knock-down, Holmes was on his feet at the count of 2 and when the referee looked into his eyes Holmes was OK unlike Lewis who twice fell into the referee on unsteady legs with his eyes glass... Lewis was in no way ready to defend himself whereas Holmes was walking around the ring and it was clear he was not badly hurt.

You was not at the Lewis vs McCall fight.. you have only ever seen it on cold-flat-screen.. i was there i seen how hurt Lewis was and how he was unable to continue, i seen how glazed his eyes was, you seen nothing so give it a miss, i was there you wasn't.

[Kid McCoy]

you are now making a fool of yourself as your argument has no basis to it, first you claimed the referee is a Don King referee yet the guy done an excellent job unlike the Lennox Lewis referee (Mickey Vann) who refereed Lewis vs Bruno and stopped the fight without Bruno even going down regardless that Frank was ahead on the scorecards..

I could say that about an inordinate number of your posts. Remind me about Lewis ducking Bonecrusher Smith. And yes, I'd call a guy who stops a fight in dubious fashion in favour of the King fight a Don King referee. I love how you want Lewis stopped when he's dropped with one shot, yet you consider it poor refereeing to stop Bruno when he's being battered on the ropes. Terry Lawless threw the towel in anyway.

What has Holmes vs Snipes to do with this?... it in no way resembles the Lewis knock-down, Holmes was on his feet at the count of 2 and when the referee looked into his eyes Holmes was OK unlike Lewis who twice fell into the referee on unsteady legs with his eyes glass... Lewis was in no way ready to defend himself whereas Holmes was walking around the ring and it was clear he was not badly hurt.

You think Holmes was on steady legs and not badly hurt? It makes for an interesting comparison with Lewis. Holmes was at least as hurt as Lewis (except Lewis didn't get up and stagger into the ring post). One was given the opportunity to carry on, one wasn't. As the champion in the second round of a title fight who was on his feet at 6 and alert enough to put up his gloves and protest instantly, Lewis deserved that chance.

You was not at the Lewis vs McCall fight.. you have only ever seen it on cold-flat-screen.. i was there i seen how hurt Lewis was and how he was unable to continue, i seen how glazed his eyes was, you seen nothing so give it a miss, i was there you wasn't.

Which is a pretty daft argument. I hope you were at the Ali-Young fight.

[sonnyboyx2]

I could say that about an inordinate number of your posts. Remind me about Lewis ducking Bonecrusher Smith. And yes, I'd call a guy who stops a fight in dubious fashion in favour of the King fight a Don King referee. I love how you want Lewis stopped when he's dropped with one shot, yet you consider it poor refereeing to stop Bruno when he's being battered on the ropes. Terry Lawless threw the towel in anyway.



You think Holmes was on steady legs and not badly hurt? It makes for an interesting comparison with Lewis. Holmes was at least as hurt as Lewis (except Lewis didn't get up and stagger into the ring post). One was given the opportunity to carry on, one wasn't. As the champion in the second round of a title fight who was on his feet at 6 and alert enough to put up his gloves and protest instantly, Lewis deserved that chance.



Which is a pretty daft argument. I hope you were at the Ali-Young fight.

No i wasn't at the Ali v Young fight..

Lewis bounced of 2 sets of ropes and twice fell into the referee... Holmes was nothing like that.

Here is a link, watch how heavily Lewis hits the deck:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jmFXl1sHh0

You are the only person i have ever came across who blames the referee for this defeat of Lennox Lewis, even Lewis himself never questioned the referee in post-fight interviews he claimed it "was a Lucky Punch" and that McCall threw the punch with his eyes closed.

[Kid McCoy]

Put two and two together for me.

In your first sentence you claim you are not saying the fight was a fix, then you have me confused with the rest of your post - it sounds as if you are inferring there was a fix but not really coming out and stating it.

No I don't think it was a fix. I do think it was a referee who jumped in prematurely to stop a fight in favour of a King fighter, like Chavez-Taylor or Weaver-Dokes, both controversial stoppages which also benefited the King fighter.