I am watching/rewatching fights of the Past Greats

[StarshipTrooper]

I disagree.... It would be Klitschko's who would be fighting while going backward until they were ultimately knocked out... Only can a bigger guy dominate simply because he is bigger and stronger is when they are fighting journeyman and tomato cans, as is the case with the Klitschko's.

Not to mention why in the hell would either Frazier or Tyson WANT to fight off the back foot? The dude keeps bringing up height but that's the single most irrelivent physical trait there is when it comes to boxing. Reach is the critical trait and neither Klitschko uses their reach advantage in a way that's effective against swarmers like Frazier and Tyson. Foreman is the best example of how to use a reach advantage to beat a swarmer and neither Klitscko fights anything like that. The Klits peck peck peck all night long against low-grade opponents who have no clue how to fight with a reach disadvantage. All that's going to do is get the Klits hurt against a fighter that actually know WTF they're doing in there.

Poet

[CarlosG815]

Not to mention why in the hell would either Frazier or Tyson WANT to fight off the back foot? The dude keeps bringing up height but that's the single most irrelivent physical trait there is when it comes to boxing. Reach is the critical trait and neither Klitschko uses their reach advantage in a way that's effective against swarmers like Frazier and Tyson. Foreman is the best example of how to use a reach advantage to beat a swarmer and neither Klitscko fights anything like that. The Klits peck peck peck all night long against low-grade opponents who have no clue how to fight with a reach disadvantage. All that's going to do is get the Klits hurt against a fighter that actually know WTF they're doing in there.

Poet

Exactly, I am trying to figure out what Trojan is basing his opinions on. I guess he see's something different when he watches those guys fight.

[StarshipTrooper]

Exactly, I am trying to figure out what Trojan is basing his opinions on. I guess he see's something different when he watches those guys fight.

Well, as much as he screams and fusses that people around here overrate past greats I get the feeling it's more of a case that Trojanman overrates current fighters. He's one of those brainless wonders who thinks everything in the NOW is the best there ever was (he's been watching too many commercials) and every tomorrow is going to be even better. That's how class-c fighters (and I'm being charitable) like Chambers and Ibragimov are suddenly "boxing gods" that represent monumental achievments when the Klits beat them :rolleyes9:

Poet

[SCtrojansbaby]

Its obvious what I am basing my opinion from Big heavyweights with great power have been very very sucessful against small guys. This can not be disputed.

Also stop just putting the Klitschkos together they are different fighters with different strengths and weaknesses(accept for size) .

[CarlosG815]

Its obvious what I am basing my opinion from Big heavyweights with great power have been very very sucessful against small guys. This can not be disputed.

Also stop just putting the Klitschkos together they are different fighters with different strengths and weaknesses(accept for size) .

Small guys with no talent or skills? They may dominate smaller guys, but if they're bums, who cares?

[SCtrojansbaby]

Small guys with no talent or skills? They may dominate smaller guys, but if they're bums, who cares?

You guys love the past, the great big heavy(with power) has almost always beaten the great small heavy.

[XionComrade]

He has more power then Frazier ever had and at least as much as Liston. The only fighters who are head and shoulders over Wlad in terms of power are Tyson and Foreman.

Also I agree with you on Vitali he is not as powerful or as physically strong as Wlad hence Frazier Tyson etc would give him problems

Wlad has GOOD power. I have seen him workout on the heavybag, in sparring, and seen most of his fights. He doesn't have great power. He isn't going to break anyone's neck like Shavers, knockout someone's eye or break their orbital like Frazier, or crack someones skull like Foreman but he DOES posses one punch KO power however. I would say on par with a Tyson, Ruddock, or Bonecrusher Smith. Tyson didn't have awesome power either, just like Wlad, he had great accuracy, but unlike Wlad he had killer shot placement, unreal speed, and awesome combinations. Either way, you get hit by either of them you are PHHHHUCKED....

You do realize that George and several others have stated that Liston hit harder than George? Liston, Foreman, and Shavers are likely the hardest hitters at the top level in history. Since Earnie retired noone has even come close. They just don't care about hitting hard anymore. Either way, it is ridiculous to compare Wlad's raw power to Liston's.

[Holtol]

I was a little surprised when Chuvalo said that "Forman and Mike Dejohn were the hardest punchers I faced". A little surprised he did not mention Frazier. But raw power punching is not that big of deal anyway. I would much rather have great pattern recognition and timing.

[SCtrojansbaby]

BTW, Southern Cal sucks. Typical no-brained FudgePac-10 fan :rolleyes9:

Poet

I bet you Southern Cal is better then where ever you go or went to school

[XionComrade]

I was a little surprised when Chuvalo said that "Forman and Mike Dejohn were the hardest punchers I faced". A little surprised he did not mention Frazier. But raw power punching is not that big of deal anyway. I would much rather have great pattern recognition and timing.

Yeah that is the pattern now. Like with Jeff Lacy, doesn't ****in matter how hard you hit if your that ****ty of a boxer.