I am watching/rewatching fights of the Past Greats

[XionComrade]

Try Alabama :bringit9: I'd rather have a sister in a cathouse than a brother going to USC

Poet

Hasim Rahman and George Foreman are stronger than any college ball player, and George would rip any of their heads off...

[StarshipTrooper]

Hasim Rahman and George Foreman are stronger than any college ball player, and George would rip any of their heads off...

Well, you're right about Foreman, Rahman on the other hand.....

Poet

[XionComrade]

Well, you're right about Foreman, Rahman on the other hand.....

Poet

Lol I meant to say Rahman was stronger. Probably stronger than anyone in NFL history as well. I have seen Rahman recently repping 450lbs on bench press just for fun. Word is that in his prime he could do 600. I would believe that. Much stronger than that joke of a NFL player that "Benched" 700lbs. Didn't even use 1/3 ROM and his 4 spotters lifted most of that for him. ****ing pathetic Gym idiot. Word is that guy can't even do 500 proper. Guy was asking for a serious serious injury. Still ****ing crazy ****** strong though :P Don't get me wrong.

I have always wondered how much Big George could lift. 28 inch thighs and 19-20 inch biceps....FUUUUUUU

[StarshipTrooper]

I have always wondered how much Big George could lift. 28 inch thighs and 19-20 inch biceps....FUUUUUUU

If I had to guess probably a ****load.....Fighters shouldn't be pumping iron anyway: It ****s the reflexes needed for boxing.

Poet

[Wild Blue Yonda]

Just want to add a small trinket to this discussion --- you fellas arguing Wlad Klitschko would beat Joe Frazier, while I disagree, I will say I think you guys could mount a stronger case than continually referring to Klitschko's power.

Why? Two words. Sultan Ibragimov. If you aren't willing to take the chance to put this guy away, you're not stepping out on a limb to try & take out Joe Frazier. No one is going to convince me of that in a million years. Klitschko is at his best as a take-all-prisoners, take-no-chances style of fighter. Forget for a moment whether he has the actual power to stop Frazier --- look at his approach against infinitely less capable & infinitely less dangerous fighters than Frazier (& Holyfield & Tyson as well, for that matter). Ibragimov is hardly a rare instance, either. Klitschko makes a meal of potential KO's routinely.

100%, Klitschko would never pursue a KO against Frazier, & you gents are barking up the wrong tree (I submit respectfully) in taking that route to present your case.

For whatever it's worth, my two cents is that the younger Klitschko may (or may not) give Frazier a difficult night, but I cannot really see him winning. Holyfield, for his part, was less consistent & lacked Frazier's punch & work-rate --- I'd favour him on his better nights over Klitschko, but if he's off to some extent one evening, I would not consider a Klitschko victory as improbable as some. Tyson, however, has the least trouble of the three & obliterates Klitschko every time. His speed of delivery, when coupled with that thudding power, would have completely defeated all of Klitschko's carefully-planned, Manny Steward-inspired defenses.

Klitschko, in my view, is a legitimately good champion, & arguably a top-15 all-time Heavyweight champion (though top-20 I am more comfortable with). However, he does have some rather severe deficiences, & his dominance has a little more to do, in the end, with the level of competition than it does his prowess.

To me, he will always fall short against the legends of the division, & the three men in-discussion here are in that category.

[DarkTerror88]

Just want to add a small trinket to this discussion --- you fellas arguing Wlad Klitschko would beat Joe Frazier, while I disagree, I will say I think you guys could mount a stronger case than continually referring to Klitschko's power.

Why? Two words. Sultan Ibragimov. If you aren't willing to take the chance to put this guy away, you're not stepping out on a limb to try & take out Joe Frazier. No one is going to convince me of that in a million years. Klitschko is at his best as a take-all-prisoners, take-no-chances style of fighter. Forget for a moment whether he has the actual power to stop Frazier --- look at his approach against infinitely less capable & infinitely less dangerous fighters than Frazier (& Holyfield & Tyson as well, for that matter). Ibragimov is hardly a rare instance, either. Klitschko makes a meal of potential KO's routinely.

100%, Klitschko would never pursue a KO against Frazier, & you gents are barking up the wrong tree (I submit respectfully) in taking that route to present your case.

For whatever it's worth, my two cents is that the younger Klitschko may (or may not) give Frazier a difficult night, but I cannot really see him winning. Holyfield, for his part, was less consistent & lacked Frazier's punch & work-rate --- I'd favour him on his better nights over Klitschko, but if he's off to some extent one evening, I would not consider a Klitschko victory as improbable as some. Tyson, however, has the least trouble of the three & obliterates Klitschko every time. His speed of delivery, when coupled with that thudding power, would have completely defeated all of Klitschko's carefully-planned, Manny Steward-inspired defenses.

Klitschko, in my view, is a legitimately good champion, & arguably a top-15 all-time Heavyweight champion (though top-20 I am more comfortable with). However, he does have some rather severe deficiences, & his dominance has a little more to do, in the end, with the level of competition than it does his prowess.

To me, he will always fall short against the legends of the division, & the three men in-discussion here are in that category.

I favor Frazier by late KO against Wlad but i give Wlad top 20 heavyweight status, he is utterly dominant, and its not his fault when he was born.

Holyfield could make a competitive UD out of it and although im not a big tyson fan, "I like Mike" inside of 5.