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[CarlosG815]

That is absolute rubbish,those 'small guys' would give wlad hell and would take him out of his comfort zone like never before,stylistically they are terrible match-ups for him,particularly tyson and frazier,who would put a terrible beating on wlad

Finally you make some sense... I agree.

[The_Demon]

Finally you make some sense... I agree.

il take that as a compliment

Frazier doesn't have the chin to withstand Wlad's devestating punching power,and Vitali would completely shut down and dominate Frazier.

Now i know you have a strong dislike for Frazier,but you have too be subjective,the klits arent going to dominate a prime frazier like you are suggesting

[SCtrojansbaby]

There is no doubt in my mind that Frazier, Holyfield and Tyson all knock out either Klitschko within 6 rounds.

What are you basing this on? Tyson and Frazier would be the most difficult fights for him as they were experts at slipping slow jabs, and getting inside, not to mention they are the fastest of all those you mentioned, and they hit among the hardest of all those you mentioned.

Klitschko is what you call "Tailor made" for guys like Frazier and Tyson. Neither Klitschko has the footwork, speed, handspeed, or combination punching that would be necessary to beat either Frazier or Tyson and honestly I can not see any way that either Klitschko wins that fight...

And that isn't because they are my favorite fighters, as there is a list of guys I'd choose to beat Tyson and Frazier, but the Klitschko's are definitely not on it.

Not being able to fight off the back foot is the downfall of just about every small heavyweight against a bigger fighter with great power. Tyson, Holyfield and Frazier would have a punchers chance but Wlad would have to make a really big mistake for them to have a chance. Like I said Bowe vs Holyfield is the blueprint for this kind of fight

I think you guys like most of the people on here are bias against current fighters and claim that all of them would get beaten by past fighters.

[CarlosG815]

Not being able to fight off the back foot is the downfall of just about every small heavyweight against a bigger fighter with great power. Tyson, Holyfield and Frazier would have a punchers chance but Wlad would have to make a really big mistake for them to have a chance. Like I said Bowe vs Holyfield is the blueprint for this kind of fight

I think you guys like most of the people on here are bias against current fighters and claim that all of them would get beaten by past fighters.

Holyfield is not the same kind of fighter as Frazier and Tyson.

Number 2, either Klitschko is NOT Rid**** Bowe. Come on man. Bowe fought at a Holyfield pace for 12 rounds, neither Klitschko could ever come close to doing that. Vitali was winded after 4 rounds in a slow chess match against Lennox Lewis.

To compare Klitschko's to Bowe is ****** and should not be the basis for your debate.

[Holtol]

Some will say Frazier wasn't big enough to win it today --- I will contend the fellas today weren't good enough to beat Frazier. In the end, you have to match up how much better Frazier was against how much bigger today's Heavies are, & while the size difference is quite noticeable, it is even more noticeable, & more stark, how severely the skill-sets, talent, & above all, conditioning have all dropped.

Frazier gives up a hill in size to today's Heavyweights. Today's Heavyweights give up a mountain of the above-mentioned qualities to Frazier.

Frazier would be champion today, I'm sure of it. He would quite readily dispose of everyone short of the current champion, Wlad Klitschko, & while I think that could well prove a difficult fight (there is a reasonably fair chance Frazier decks him early & finishes it, IMO), I do not see a scenario in which Klitschko emerges the likely victor, herego, Frazier conquers today's division. When you get down to it, he is simply too much the better fighter to lose to 99% of these guys on size alone (& to me, size is the only real advantage this awful division has on Frazier).

George Chuvalo also agrees with you in this video. I also think Frazier would beat them he was not much lighter then Holyfield or Tyson. Faded Holyfield gave Lewis all he could handle.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Holyfield is not the same kind of fighter as Frazier and Tyson.

Number 2, either Klitschko is NOT Rid**** Bowe. Come on man. Bowe fought at a Holyfield pace for 12 rounds, neither Klitschko could ever come close to doing that. Vitali was winded after 4 rounds in a slow chess match against Lennox Lewis.

To compare Klitschko's to Bowe is ****** and should not be the basis for your debate.

I agree Holyfield isn't like Tyson or Frazier very different style but the point is when short fighters who can't fight off there back foot go against a great big man with supreme power they don't do well. There is evidence of this through out boxing history.

[XionComrade]

I look at it in a similar way with Wlad. Wlad has good power(Not great), I would say on the level of a Bonecrusher Smith or maybe even a Tyson, but far far off of a Foreman, Liston, Maciano etc...Wlad's accuracy is a thing to behold. I can deffinently see how today's Wlad can get Frazier early if he comes out on fire. However, it is extremely unlikely that he would do this against Frazier. Frazier would be most probably the hardest puncher Wlad ever faced. Add onto that a heart of gold and 15 round non-stop stamina and their is a problem here.

If Wlad played it cool and cautious with Frazier it would be all over, after round 5 Wlad would fatigue and Frazier would be all over him so bad it wouldn't even be funny. It is a interesting matchup. I think that Wlad would do much better against a swarmer than his brother does because of his strength on the inside and his punching power/ability to just fight like hell.

Vitali slaps his punches and has average-below average power even for a heavyweight. I cannot realistically see how he can pull it off against Frazier. He lacks the power to even keep Frazier at bay and Frazier would be able to walk him down. I see a close UD against Vitali.

Regardless of the weight difference, Frazier has 27 inch thighs. A inch bigger than Tyson's and a inch and 1/2 smaller than Foreman's. David Tua had 30 inch thighs but was not a forward-sort of pressure fighter. Frazier uses his massive legs to drive forward and push his opponent to the ropes, in this area Vitali doesn't have a chance. His height would play against him and ontop of that he only has 22 inch thighs. Rough fight.

[SCtrojansbaby]

I look at it in a similar way with Wlad. Wlad has good power(Not great), I would say on the level of a Bonecrusher Smith or maybe even a Tyson, but far far off of a Foreman, Liston, Maciano etc...Wlad's accuracy is a thing to behold. I can deffinently see how today's Wlad can get Frazier early if he comes out on fire. However, it is extremely unlikely that he would do this against Frazier. Frazier would be most probably the hardest puncher Wlad ever faced. Add onto that a heart of gold and 15 round non-stop stamina and their is a problem here.

If Wlad played it cool and cautious with Frazier it would be all over, after round 5 Wlad would fatigue and Frazier would be all over him so bad it wouldn't even be funny. It is a interesting matchup. I think that Wlad would do much better against a swarmer than his brother does because of his strength on the inside and his punching power/ability to just fight like hell.

Vitali slaps his punches and has average-below average power even for a heavyweight. I cannot realistically see how he can pull it off against Frazier. He lacks the power to even keep Frazier at bay and Frazier would be able to walk him down. I see a close UD against Vitali.

Regardless of the weight difference, Frazier has 27 inch thighs. A inch bigger than Tyson's and a inch and 1/2 smaller than Foreman's. David Tua had 30 inch thighs but was not a forward-sort of pressure fighter. Frazier uses his massive legs to drive forward and push his opponent to the ropes, in this area Vitali doesn't have a chance. His height would play against him and ontop of that he only has 22 inch thighs. Rough fight.

He has more power then Frazier ever had and at least as much as Liston. The only fighters who are head and shoulders over Wlad in terms of power are Tyson and Foreman.

Also I agree with you on Vitali he is not as powerful or as physically strong as Wlad hence Frazier Tyson etc would give him problems

[CarlosG815]

I agree Holyfield isn't like Tyson or Frazier very different style but the point is when short fighters who can't fight off there back foot go against a great big man with supreme power they don't do well. There is evidence of this through out boxing history.

I disagree.... It would be Klitschko's who would be fighting while going backward until they were ultimately knocked out... Only can a bigger guy dominate simply because he is bigger and stronger is when they are fighting journeyman and tomato cans, as is the case with the Klitschko's.

[SCtrojansbaby]

I disagree.... It would be Klitschko's who would be fighting while going backward until they were ultimately knocked out... Only can a bigger guy dominate simply because he is bigger and stronger is when they are fighting journeyman and tomato cans, as is the case with the Klitschko's.

Its not simply cause he is bigger its the Size+Power+Physical Strength