Fighters who next to no talent or naural ability but still becoome a Champion?

[Joey Giardello]

The Klitschko's

poet dont come on this thread if your only going to post rubbish like that

[StarshipTrooper]

poet dont come on this thread if your only going to post rubbish like that

Think about it: They're slow and mechanical.....not natural athletes at all. They're large, but size isn't a natural ability or talent. One poster mentioned Marciano which is fair enough. Blow Rocky up preportionately to 250 pounds and what do you have? Vitali Klitschko with a bigger punch. Frank Bruno was strong as hell but not someone I'd tag as a natural athlete. Blow Bruno up preportionally to 250 pounds and what do you have? Wlad Klitschko with a bigger punch.

Far from making a "rubbish" post, I think pointing out that the Klits are not natural athletes is a fair observation. Being big isn't a talent.

Poet

[Tiozzo]

Rocky Marciano didn't have much natural talent besides his iron beard and made up for it with intense training and sheer volume of power punches that never stopped coming and hit you everywhere. Worked out for him though, i have him top 10 heavyweight

here is an interesting video

big props and all the credit to rednekkrudy

[StarshipTrooper]

make that the last load of rubbish you post in this thread

And my analysis is incorrect exactly where?

Poet

[Tiozzo]

Think about it: They're slow and mechanical.....not natural athletes at all. They're large, but size isn't a natural ability or talent. One poster mentioned Marciano which is fair enough. Blow Rocky up preportionately to 250 pounds and what do you have? Vitali Klitschko with a bigger punch. Frank Bruno was strong as hell but not someone I'd tag as a natural athlete. Blow Bruno up preportionally to 250 pounds and what do you have? Wlad Klitschko with a bigger punch.

Far from making a "rubbish" post, I think pointing out that the Klits are not natural athletes is a fair observation. Being big isn't a talent.

Poet

not a very fair way of putting things

Wlad is not merely as mechanical as Vitali
in fact, he's pretty fluid
and both have good handspeed

size isn't everything they have, this is ridiculous to even suggest that

their size is just an advantage they have and use among others

I would never have expected such a poor quality post from you

[StarshipTrooper]

not a very fair way of putting things

Wlad is not merely as mechanical as Vitali
in fact, he's pretty fluid
and both have good handspeed

size isn't everything they have, this is ridiculous to even suggest that

their size is just an advantage they have and use among others

I would never have expected such a poor quality post from you

I've never seen Wlad look "fluid" and I doubt I ever will. Neither fighter has what I'd call "good handspeed".....in fact, I'd rate Lewis and Bowe over both Ks in handspeed and neither of those two were particularly swift.

More to the point, the thread is about natural ability or talent not whether they have any advantages aside from size. Vitali, for example, is tough, has a great chin, good stamina, and a high workrate. All those things make him a top fighter but none of them make him a natural athlete. In fact, all those traits apply to Marciano as well as Vitali. Wlad, on the other hand, has a better skill set then Vitali, which gives him a big advantage over the current crop of Heavies, but lacks the afore mentioned advantages that Vitali has. Again, though, a skill set is not natural ability: It's something learned, as opposed to something that comes naturally ie. athleticism.

Poet

[Tiozzo]

I've never seen Wlad look "fluid" and I doubt I ever will. Neither fighter has what I'd call "good handspeed".....in fact, I'd rate Lewis and Bowe over both Ks in handspeed and neither of those two were particularly swift.

More to the point, the thread is about natural ability or talent not whether they have any advantages aside from size. Vitali, for example, is tough, has a great chin, good stamina, and a high workrate. All those things make him a top fighter but none of them make him a natural athlete. In fact, all those traits apply to Marciano as well as Vitali. Wlad, on the other hand, has a better skill set then Vitali, which gives him a big advantage over the current crop of Heavies, but lacks the afore mentioned advantages that Vitali has. Again, though, a skill set is not natural ability: It's something learned, as opposed to something that comes naturally ie. athleticism.

Poet

I think Wlad moves pretty fluidly, while Vitali doesn't

I don't agree about the handspeed, but it's ok

for a man his size, Wladimir is freaking athletic to me (while Vitali is not, again)

[sonnyboyx2]

The Klitschko's

yeah good one, both brothers are so bad i laugh while watching them

[StarshipTrooper]

I think Wlad moves pretty fluidly, while Vitali doesn't

I don't agree about the handspeed, but it's ok

for a man his sizefor a man his size, Wladimir is freaking athletic to me (while Vitali is not, again)

But we're not giving him a passer because of his size. Past a certain point a fighter's size works against him from the perspective of natural athleticism. I wouldn't consider Bowe or Lewis as having natural athleticism either (and for the record I rate Vitali as a better fighter than Bowe).

The wider point, though, is one doesn't need to have natural ability to become champion: Boxing is as much a learned trade as anything else. Nor does natural ability guarantee a fighter will be great: Jermaine Taylor is a terrific natural athlete but I seriously doubt he'll even make near-great status and I'd bet the farm he'll never be an ATG.

Poet

[CarlosG815]

But we're not giving him a passer because of his size. Past a certain point a fighter's size works against him from the perspective of natural athleticism. I wouldn't consider Bowe or Lewis as having natural athleticism either (and for the record I rate Vitali as a better fighter than Bowe).

The wider point, though, is one doesn't need to have natural ability to become champion: Boxing is as much a learned trade as anything else. Nor does natural ability guarantee a fighter will be great: Jermaine Taylor is a terrific natural athlete but I seriously doubt he'll even make near-great status and I'd bet the farm he'll never be an ATG.

Poet

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