Fighters who next to no talent or naural ability but still becoome a Champion?

[HaglerSteelChin]

Primo Carnera fairly or unjustly was always considered a champion with little talent. It has always been debated about how many of his fights were fixed or not fixed due to organized influences, and we know what Ali thought about Jess Willard.

Recent HW champs in the last 20 years do stand out as guys already mentioned here.

[Obama]

Joe Frazier was about as limited as a world champion as you'll ever find.Little technique,and absolutely no athleticism whatsoever.His performance on Superstars was just embarrassing

I think your definition of athleticism might be a little off there gatto.

It's not possible to be one of the most well conditioned men in the world and not be athletic.

[Obama]

You really need to get that MPD under control. And while I wasn't thinking of other sports when I wrote that, I'd say conditioning in boxing has to rate up there with some of the best. It's why "training like a boxer" is the most common cross training technique.

Anyways, more on point, Joe Frazier is among the very best conditioned boxers of all time. He had athleticism. Accept it and move on.

[Suckmedry]

Because fighting is unique in the demands it presents to the body. You deal with pain as well as normal exertion. As well as the mental aspect of the game, which is huge.

And if you knew anything about fitness, you would know about different types of fitness and different energy systems. Just because a marathon goes for ages doesn't mean they are superior athletes to sprinters, or boxers, or whatever.

[Obama]

2 simple reasons. Sometimes its one, sometimes its both.

1) They didn't train properly for the fight, usually due to how much time they spent preparing for it.

2) Execution plays a large role into whether or not you gas. No matter how well conditioned you are, you fight the wrong way, you can gas out. On a lower level this becomes automatically apparent when athletes from other sports get in the ring for the first time and find themselves completely spent in under 1 round.

[Obama]

Pacing yourself is a whole different story when the other guy is trying to take your head off, and simultaneously is also trying to negate your offense. Can't compare it to a non-contact sport.