Joe Frazier vs. Rid**** Bowe

[QueensburyRules]

Bowe had a terrific uppercut which made him dangerous to anyone getting inside his reach. Outside of that I never saw Bowe bring anything else to the table that would make him a particularly good infighter compared to other heavyweights down through history.

- - Big Dummy was a superior rabbit puncher. See the most blatant rabbit thrown in the history of boxing when he knocks Vander face first into the ropes for a clean Rabbit that KOs Vander.

Yet another pitiable referee that boxing is infamous for.

[Dr. Z]

Bowe by late TKO. Frazier too small and Bowe too durable. Even if he doesn't get the TKO he'd be way ahead on the cards. Prime Bowe can do all the things a 70s Ali can, just with reduced speed and output but also with more power and more inches for Frazier to have to reach upward in order to connect.

Frazier wouldn't do too well with Bowe's power. Wouldn't devastate him like Foreman's, but he'd be hit a hell of a lot more than Foreman hit him.

I agree, Bowe would win. Inside of six rounds.

[Willow The Wisp]

- - One of those old 50s junkers with slow, rusty movements t-boned his modern movement.

Big Dummy ain't Foreman, and prime Joe would be better than anyone he ever beat or lost to. Joe gonna tear them kidneys out and serve em up on his busted up dinnerplates.

This is the right answer.

[Ascended]

I agree, Bowe would win. Inside of six rounds.

1st joe was a novice

[DooGee#33]

Frazier's chin was every but as good as Holyfield's if not better. The difference being that Joe's fighting style, semi crouch, always attacking exposes his iron chin to the blazing guns of his opponents. Evander was a more versatile fighter and could change gears and retreat effectively, box at times, **** at times.

Joe Frazier had one of the best chins in heavyweight history. With that said Rid**** Bowe would be a problem because of his size, strength, the combinations he could throw on the inside and at midrange.

Bowe at his best us a very small sample size. His ability is obvious. Eddie Futch polished a ***el of a heavyweight. Frazier proved more, certainly the greater heavyweight no question.

Bowe at his peak around 1992 would win perhaps by TKO in 8 or 9 rounds. Frazier would put him through the ringer but he would be there a little too much for Bowe. Rid**** would be hurt, perhaps knocked down by Joe if he thinks he can stay on the inside with him.

Bowe adjusts and keeps Frazier at range swinging the fight his way. Joe would send him home worse than he came but Big Daddy gets the W.

[DooGee#33]

frazier was almost stopped by joe bugner.i cant see joe berating any,tall,hard punching heavy

Someone should have the told Joe Bugner. I'm sure that would be news to him since Frazier pummeled him over 12 rounds. Smoking Joe had Bugner melting to the canvas. Smoke took it easy on him as 1 more hook they would have required a stretcher.

[Dr. Z]

Frazier's chin was every but as good as Holyfield's if not better. The difference being that Joe's fighting style, semi crouch, always attacking exposes his iron chin to the blazing guns of his opponents. Evander was a more versatile fighter and could change gears and retreat effectively, box at times, **** at times.

Joe Frazier had one of the best chins in heavyweight history. With that said Rid**** Bowe would be a problem because of his size, strength, the combinations he could throw on the inside and at midrange.

Bowe at his best us a very small sample size. His ability is obvious. Eddie Futch polished a ***el of a heavyweight. Frazier proved more, certainly the greater heavyweight no question.

Bowe at his peak around 1992 would win perhaps by TKO in 8 or 9 rounds. Frazier would put him through the ringer but he would be there a little too much for Bowe. Rid**** would be hurt, perhaps knocked down by Joe if he thinks he can stay on the inside with him.

Bowe adjusts and keeps Frazier at range swinging the fight his way. Joe would send him home worse than he came but Big Daddy gets the W.

I agree with you pick but not the reasoning. Frazier's chin was one if the best in heavyweight history???

[QueensburyRules]

Frazier's chin was every but as good as Holyfield's if not better. The difference being that Joe's fighting style, semi crouch, always attacking exposes his iron chin to the blazing guns of his opponents. Evander was a more versatile fighter and could change gears and retreat effectively, box at times, **** at times.

Joe Frazier had one of the best chins in heavyweight history. With that said Rid**** Bowe would be a problem because of his size, strength, the combinations he could throw on the inside and at midrange.

Bowe at his best us a very small sample size. His ability is obvious. Eddie Futch polished a ***el of a heavyweight. Frazier proved more, certainly the greater heavyweight no question.

Bowe at his peak around 1992 would win perhaps by TKO in 8 or 9 rounds. Frazier would put him through the ringer but he would be there a little too much for Bowe. Rid**** would be hurt, perhaps knocked down by Joe if he thinks he can stay on the inside with him.

Bowe adjusts and keeps Frazier at range swinging the fight his way. Joe would send him home worse than he came but Big Daddy gets the W.

- - So, a lotta monkey motion by Big Dummy before he quits Joe...thanks for the affirmation...

[Willow The Wisp]

Frazier makes Bowe QUIT in his corner. Just like the Corps

[DooGee#33]

I agree with you pick but not the reasoning. Frazier's chin was one if the best in heavyweight history???

Yes. Have you seen The Thrilla In Manila? Or FOTC? Ali marveled at Frazier's ability to take a punch. Earlier on George Chuvalo couldnt dent the beard of Smokin Joe. His bout with Jerry Quarry in 1969? The same Quarry who KOd larger heavyweights than Joe. Buster Mathis in 1968 hit Frazier with all he had. Oscar Bonevena in 1968 faced a seasoned Frazier who walked through him for 15 rounds. Jimmy Ellis had a sharp right cross as Oscar Bonevena learned but he couldn't even back Frazier up with it.

Even in the Olympics Frazier walked through a big Russian Heavyweight in the semi finals breaking his thumb on the guys head but certainly handled the return fire.


Getting stopped by George Foreman isn't a knock on Frazier's chin. Foreman's power was in those uppercuts but also note how many punches George had to hit him with to finally stop him . Frazier probably took about 20 clean power shots without going down between knockdowns.

Now compare that to Moorer or Norton. As I said before Joe had to expose his chin more than most conventional heavyweights. He only had one way to fight.

For example Rid**** Bowe was a tough guy but if he was only 5-11 and had to come forward on a weave 3 minutes a round does he make it past novice level? Just using Bowe as an example or most other heavyweights.

Rocky Marciano is celebrated for having a tough beard but could he get out of the early rounds with 1973 George Foreman? Many believe George was the most powerful puncher in heavyweight history. Certainly one of the strongest. His wheelhouse was down low in those uppercuts.