Ron Lyle vs vitali klitschko

[XionComrade]

lyle wasnt massive lol.he was big compared to guys he fought but not by todays standards.calling him massive is like calling rahman massive.by todays standard he would be decent sized.he actually looked shorter than ali

please tell me what fights i can watch to see this great lyle footwork lol???ive seen him against quarry,ali,foreman,shavers,and cooney and i didnt see not 1 ounce of this great footwork and classic boxer/puncher stuff you speak of.so please cite fights which this was on display

you are not going to be beat a 6'7 man with a great jab by staying on the outside and working your way in.earlier you said the pressure lyle puts on vitali will win him the fight,and now its using a jab to work your way in.but either please show me the fights when lyles great jab and footwork were on display

Rahman was massive lol. I have seen videos of Rahman in training benching 400lbs+ for reps, His shoulders and waist were very wide and obviously his arms were just insane. He was built like a tree trunk but slower than molasses, easily the slowest heavyweight champion ever, one of the slowest contenders ever.

Both the Foreman and Shavers fight Lyle shows it, but particularly agianst George. Watch the fight, then watch basically any of Danny Williams, Ibragimov, Sanders, Brewster, and especially Vitali...You get my point? Lyle had great foot work for such a big man.

He used the jab against Foreman and Shavers obviously to set up his right hand. It was a hard, fast, sometimes even repeating jab, much better than most of Vitali's opponents have had. Danny Williams had great success with his when he used it, Vitali is wide open for that shot, and the straight left(Forced Jab as I call it).

Tyson was at his best when he used his jab to get inside, Jab while moving inside then unload some wicked combinations. Tyson mostly had success with this against the taller opponents he faced. As soon as he stopped using it to work inside, he started to fade. That is the way a good pressure fighter will have to do, especially against Vitali. Just nail him with the jab then move in, he will be open. All boxing matches start from the outside, it is no different for Lyle-Klitschko.

You have to take into account, when talking about weight, the conditioning of the athletes in the 70s. Lyle, Foreman, Shavers, etc... were all ripped and ready. They looked like they were on roids and obviously had a much lower fat-muscle ratio than todays heavyweights, even Vitali and Lewis(But on par with Wlad) Lyle could easily make 250 and still be in fighting shape for todays era...

[r.burgundy]

Rahman was massive lol. I have seen videos of Rahman in training benching 400lbs+ for reps, His shoulders and waist were very wide and obviously his arms were just insane. He was built like a tree trunk but slower than molasses, easily the slowest heavyweight champion ever, one of the slowest contenders ever.

Both the Foreman and Shavers fight Lyle shows it, but particularly agianst George. Watch the fight, then watch basically any of Danny Williams, Ibragimov, Sanders, Brewster, and especially Vitali...You get my point? Lyle had great foot work for such a big man.

He used the jab against Foreman and Shavers obviously to set up his right hand. It was a hard, fast, sometimes even repeating jab, much better than most of Vitali's opponents have had. Danny Williams had great success with his when he used it, Vitali is wide open for that shot, and the straight left(Forced Jab as I call it).

Tyson was at his best when he used his jab to get inside, Jab while moving inside then unload some wicked combinations. Tyson mostly had success with this against the taller opponents he faced. As soon as he stopped using it to work inside, he started to fade. That is the way a good pressure fighter will have to do, especially against Vitali. Just nail him with the jab then move in, he will be open. All boxing matches start from the outside, it is no different for Lyle-Klitschko.

You have to take into account, when talking about weight, the conditioning of the athletes in the 70s. Lyle, Foreman, Shavers, etc... were all ripped and ready. They looked like they were on roids and obviously had a much lower fat-muscle ratio than todays heavyweights, even Vitali and Lewis(But on par with Wlad) Lyle could easily make 250 and still be in fighting shape for todays era...

well if rahman is massive what do you call the klitschos?
he threw less than 20 jabs a round against foreman and it was far from accurate.foreman actually worked alot better behind the jab in that fight.and lyle got hit with right after right because he held his hand strait out.he made george look like maywether.i have never once seen lyle get out the way of a punch so i dont understand where this footwork stuff is coming from

of course they had lower ratio's because they were much smaller guys.im 6' and weigh between 190-195 and have 13% body fat which is excellent.your not gonna find many guys above 230 with low fat to muscle ratios.this is boxing not body building.and again lyle is not a big guy.he was shorter than foreman and looked shorter than ali

[XionComrade]

well if rahman is massive what do you call the klitschos?
he threw less than 20 jabs a round against foreman and it was far from accurate.foreman actually worked alot better behind the jab in that fight.and lyle got hit with right after right because he held his hand strait out.he made george look like maywether.i have never once seen lyle get out the way of a punch so i dont understand where this footwork stuff is coming from

of course they had lower ratio's because they were much smaller guys.im 6' and weigh between 190-195 and have 13% body fat which is excellent.your not gonna find many guys above 230 with low fat to muscle ratios.this is boxing not body building.and again lyle is not a big guy.he was shorter than foreman and looked shorter than ali

Lyle was 6'3 215lbs in most of his fights, anyone can look at his pictures and know, Lyle was a big guy built like a tank. He was 6'3 and had no neck for crying out loud...This is boxing, probably the most demanding sport on earth, it is just a given that a great athlete will have great conditioning, something most Heavyweights today just don't have. Every pound you carry in a tough match is going to make a huge difference later on, and it is no wonder why most of today's fighters are winded by the 6th...

Lyle throws more than enough jabs to tag Vitali, obviously. Watch the Williams fight, he is wide open for them and gets nailed by near all of them the skiddish Williams throws...Lyle used his footwork beautifully to dance around Foreman until they started throwing the bombs, both fighters even at that stage were far superior to any wack job Vitali has fought, especially the Lewis he fought.

[Jim Jeffries]

Shavers would walk through Wlad and give Vitali the fight of his life....

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I think Lyle would be a tough fight for V. Klitschko. If Vitali tried to brawl with him, like he did Lewis, he could come up short. But if he keeps his distance and keeps moving, like he's been doing the last couple years, he should win a decision.

[XionComrade]

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I think Lyle would be a tough fight for V. Klitschko. If Vitali tried to brawl with him, like he did Lewis, he could come up short. But if he keeps his distance and keeps moving, like he's been doing the last couple years, he should win a decision.

Best post of the thread, I agree completely. I am reviewing the Arreola fight right now, not saying that Arreola is a Lyle, but this is still one ****ing hell of a war, I have yet to see one fight that suggests Vitali is a boring fighter, that is bull****. If the fight is boring, it is because of the other guy just standing their like a punching bag. This fight, like the Lewis one, is a must see!

The Lyle Vitali fight, I see, could be one of the best of all time. Lyle has one punch knockout power, championship round stamina, and awesome footwork compared to Arreola. Not to mention his pressuring abilities...Klitschko wins a boxing match by SD, but loses a fight by 11 or 12th TKO or UD.

[XionComrade]

XionComrade and sonnyboyx2 = Dumb and Dumber

Then pick it apart big guy. I am not here to throw insults like a 2 year old, I am looking to learn something and have a intelligent discussion about this matchup.

[Die Antwoord]

Then pick it apart big guy. I am not here to throw insults like a 2 year old, I am looking to learn something and have a intelligent discussion about this matchup.

You think Shavers would walk through Wlad Klitschko and be a tough fight for Vitali. Shavers couldnt walk through 20-25 Bob Stallings in his prime, but you think he could walk through Wlad's jab. hilarious.

[sonnyboyx2]

You think Shavers would walk through Wlad Klitschko and be a tough fight for Vitali. Shavers couldnt walk through 20-25 Bob Stallings in his prime, but you think he could walk through Wlad's jab. hilarious.

Lamon Brewster did

[r.burgundy]

Lamon Brewster did

brewsters chin and shavers chin are 2 different leagues.and i would say brewsters skills at getting inside were better

[XionComrade]

brewsters chin and shavers chin are 2 different leagues.and i would say brewsters skills at getting inside were better

Yes if you call blindly rushing into Wlad good getting inside skills....Brewster was serious **** with good physical talent...he lost to Clifford Ettiene, a man that any professional claiming a punch should be able to get out in at least 2 rounds...No comparison between Shavers and Brewster, no matter how much you degrade the 70s...